Quantum Dietitian Explains Why You Can't Lose Fat | Circadian Nutrition, Seasonal Eating & Metabolism, Biophysics of Nutrition, Chrono Nutrition | Ethan Okunas

0:04 This is the Fitness Wisdom Podcast.

0:09 Quantum dietitian Ethan Okunas. Welcome to the Fitness Wisdom Podcast. Thank you for having me, I really appreciate it. I'm very excited for this conversation today because, you know, we've been connected a while on social media and I've noticed a lot of your posts and you really bring this nuanced perspective and context to the conversation of nutrition. And you know how social media is so tribal and so black and white, right? But the beautiful thing about what we're going to be discussing today, we're going to be tying everything together.

0:37 How food is connected to the timing, to the quantity, to the seasonality, to the locality, basically how food is not just something that you just throw in your body. It's literally information. And This is why we've got you on today to understand the complexity that it's not just as simple as just, you know, eating less calories, for example, in losing body fat or eating a specific diet like doing carnivore or vegan or whatever to achieve a specific goal. So before we dive into that though, do you want to tell me a little bit how you actually go into the world of nutrition through the biophysics lens?

1:14 Because they obviously this is not the very common path that people walk down. So tell me how you got into this work. Yeah, sure. So I guess I'll kind of start at the beginning, just lay the groundwork. So professionally, like what I went to school for my bachelor's was in nutrition and fitness and my master's as food and nutrition. And most of that is just, I mean, I took like biochemistry, organic chemistry, all that stuff. But never in like my 6 1/2 years of school did I take a single faces class.

1:41 And I'm sure it's basically the same for anyone in like the quantum space. Like you might learn, like you, everything is from biochemistry, but when you look a little bit deeper, like what changes the biochemistry? So for example, let's say like I will, I don't disagree. Like if you eat fewer calories, you'll probably going to lose weight. And if you eat more calories than you're using, you'll probably gain weight. And like, I don't disagree with that at all. But then the question underneath that would be what determines how many calories you're eating?

2:09 And most like conventional, like PhD nutrition or dietitians like me or whatever. And they're going to be like, oh, like, it's probably your hormone. Especially now with all the GOP ones that are out there, that kind of it kind of makes people like, oh, it is a hormones because you take GOP one, which is a peptide hormone and you eat less food. So a lot of people think that it is like a biochemistry or leptin. I mean, leptin is I'll talk about that in a little bit. But leptin is also like a hormone.

2:36 So you think about like it like biochemically, but then if you look like one level before that, like what affects your hormones? Like what affects your leptin? What affects like GOP one, what affects growing and all that stuff. And then you're like, oh, like it's probably just like water magnetism, like all the biophysics that's, and that's just kind of like the foundation. It's kind of like the whole, it's like all of like scientific research really, when you think about it, it's all built on a like a faulty foundation.

3:04 There is just like not great research to begin with. I was doing a podcast yesterday and we were talking about like John Odd and how John Odd in his book from like the 70s was talking about how like all this research is done under fluorescent lighting. So all the research is automatically encouraging, correct? Because although like the one thought I had is, it's probably actually pretty accurate in 2026 because their studies show like 93% of the time people are indoors. So in some ways, at this point, the research might actually be accurate for the average person, which is kind of not great when you think about it.

3:35 But theoretically, if you're actually outside, everything changes. So like all the research ever done will be incorrect or not, or you won't be able to apply it to the average person who's spending a bunch of time outside. And Glen Jeffrey study, I think it's the only one. Maybe there's been more senses, but basically when he shined a red light on people's shoulder for I think it was like a couple minutes, their blood glucose after the meal they ate was 27% lower. And now like a strap laid that to like you were outside before your meal.

4:10 You ate everything outside. Your feet are on the grass and then you get that same meal. I mean, I've never tested it. I was saying yesterday podcast too that I would look. I mean, the problem with the CGM is like it's an EMF 24/7, but would be interesting to put that on and like eat your meal outside versus eat your meal under blue light and see like what happens. I would guess you could probably eat, I mean, it's kind of extreme, but I'm guessing you could probably eat like ice cream or something like that outside grounded in the sun at like solar noon and your blood sugar would just be a flat line.

4:39 It probably wouldn't even spike. That's that's just like what I would guess. So it's all definitely contextual for sure. Guys, if you haven't already smashed that subscribe button and the like button, now back to the show. Definitely. But definitely tell me though, like I did, I don't think I caught where you told me where you went down the biophysics path. Oh yeah, you always like this, this way minded like oh, like red peeled or what actually got you down the road. Yeah, so I lost my, I definitely lost track.

5:08 I go with dangerous, by the way. It's just kind of how I am. But so my like when I was a kid, neither of my parents born in the US, so they're both immigrants and they grew up in a country that had like real food. So they were always chasing flavor. And if you're eating like a real pasture raised chicken, it tastes totally different than something you'll buy in the grocery store. So I was a kid, my parents like, we're going to farmers markets way before that was a cool thing to do because this was like maybe even before I was born, they were going to farmers markets like in the 90s.

5:37 And then when I was in middle school, they were buying me raw milk and stuff like that. And again, that was like way, like right now everyone is drinking raw, like even like some like a real job too. And even some of my coworkers, they, they, they like drink raw milk and they, they don't really know anything about health. They're just like, like, I'm just going to do that. So. And my dad was like talking about magnetism when I was like a kid too. I didn't really put much stock in it. And I mean, and for example, like side note again, like I knew about grounding, like I knew Wi-Fi was bad and all that stuff.

6:07 Like I've probably known it for at least 10 years, but I just never thought more than that, if that makes sense. I never did anything about it. I was like, oh, like I'm outside barefoot, I'm grounded. Like that's cool, but I never made it intentional or same thing. Like I knew Wi-Fi was bad, but I never turned off the Wi-Fi. It was kind of just like an afterthought because I thought food was kind of everything. And then when you go to school, even though I I never really because I was always like alternative based on how my parents raised me.

6:32 I never really bought a lot of the tough stuff they were teaching in school. I was just I was good at school, but I considered it mostly a waste of time. So I never really fully bought into it, but I was bought into the whole like nutrition if in this thing being like the number one lover of health for sure. I think it's definitely like a big psyop because even when you go online, everyone's like focused on like how much you're running or how much you're lifting or how lean you are and your diet, which is, I mean, it's all important.

7:00 But again, that's just like, that's not that foundation. So what happens? And then I was also like into like synthetic chemicals, microplastics that weights, all that sort of thing. So I was always like in the alternative space to begin with. That was my interest. And I also really focused on sleep because on top of that, I was an athlete. And as an athlete, you kind of like you already eat pretty well, especially I wrestled. So that's a weight class board. So you're cutting weights. Food is dude, is way more important as a wrestler or a combat sport athlete than it would be like other sports because you have like NFL players to eat at McDonald's every renewal and it's like, fine.

7:34 But for wrestling it's become it's actually way more important because it's a combat sport. So you gotta make weights. And then we were exercising because obviously it's a sport, you know, you're lifting, you're doing wrestling, you're doing cardio, all that stuff. And then obviously you need to sleep as well in order to recover. So I was, I think I was like ahead of the game as far as the sleep thing goes to especially when I listen to like Matthew Walker and Joe Rogan where he's like, Oh yeah, like you're sleep consistency super important.

7:57 I don't really think he ever talked about circadian rhythms explicitly, which is the downside, I guess, centralized research. But he did talk about consistency in his book was she wrote like 2018-2019. He even talked about blue light a little bit. And so he was definitely one of the first guys who brought into my attention because you're always like, oh, like you got to sleep more, but no one really tells you how to actually sleep better or how do you actually have a good quality of sleep. And one of the distinctions I make in my book is there's a difference between darkness and sleep.

8:25 Like you're going to sleep in the light, but that's going to be totally different than if you're actually sleeping the darkness. So I was already had like a foundation of like the alternative stuff. And I was always like interested. And I was like, oh, like, how do I improve people's health? Like I knew it's way more than exercise. And I knew that it was way more than diet. And I knew that sleep was important, but I still didn't know about like the grounding or EMS or anything like that for a while.

8:47 And then funny enough, like one of my friends, he just sent me a podcast with Jack Cruz. And he's like, oh, you should listen to this. And he actually had grounding sheets probably for like the last 10 years. Like he was way ahead. Like he knew about Jack like way before I did. But he sent me this podcast and I was like, I listened to it and I texted him. I was like, I don't really know what I was listening to. Like I had no idea what was going on. And I was just like, I couldn't even say the podcast was good or bad because I was just totally lost.

9:13 Like, I just simply did not understand what he was talking about, which is the case for most people, as you find out later on. But I didn't even, like, I hadn't heard about Jack at that point at all. So I didn't even know his reputation of like, I like people like with like PhDs, like spending like their whole life's work, basically deciphering his work. But I had no idea because I didn't even know who Jack was. But then he sent me a podcast with Alexis right after that. And Alexis is way more practical.

9:37 She's way more coherent, kind of like she works for the average person. So like way more similar to what I would do now. So she's like, I just go see the sunrise, keep it dark at night. Just very practical advice, which is kind of the way I am as well. So I listened to that podcast and then I ended up listening to all the rest of her podcast too. And then after that I ended up going back and listening to Jack. And then around that time my job, like my actual full time job, I was doing outpatient weight loss.

10:05 So I was working with people who like their doctors like like you gotta lose weight to be healthier. Just a very average person, like like typical person or client would have been like probably like 40s, fifties, 60s, like on blood pressure medication, just like you're very average person. I would say like 80% of the population right now would probably qualify as like a potential patient for that place, but it was elective. But one of the questions I always used to ask people is like, oh, like what brings you here?

10:32 Like why are you motivated to be here? Stuff along those lines. And typically it's like my doctor sent me like they weren't super motivated. But either way, one of my my observations was, and I thought I was being doing a good job because I was talking about sleep, I was talking about exercise. Like most dieticians, they don't even talk about that because, yeah, I was an athlete, so I was always into that. But most dieticians, they only talk about food. They don't like, they don't even talk about like getting some steps in.

10:57 They don't even talk about like, oh, you should probably be doing some cardio because we know like weight training cardio, like no matter what your BMI is or no matter what your health status is, like that stuff is overall just really beneficial for you. Like you should be doing that no matter what. So I was talking about that stuff and I was still like, and I thought I was being way ahead of the game, but these people, a lot of them would lose weight, but then they would all gain it back because kind of like what we talked about the beginning, like the calories is not the foundation.

11:24 That's really like the icing on the cake. And if you don't have the right foundation to lose weight, you, I mean, you can, you can force it like you can force weight loss, like you can eat less food and you're going to lose weight, but it's just not sustainable. And that's what the research shows, even if you just go in pub Med, I believe like within one year, 75% of people who lose weight gain it all back. And within five years it's 95%. So no one will disagree that obviously counting calories is ineffective if everyone gains it back.

11:53 I mean, I guess it's effective to lose the weight, but it's just you wasted so much time if you're going to gain it all back. So if you're going to lose weight, it better stick because it takes time, it takes effort. Like you're going to be kind of hungry. So it kind of sucks. And if you just do that over and over again, which is what everyone does, like I even bother, you might as well just like not even try losing weight and just kind of hang out. And I actually think for that reason, kind of side note, again, exercise is probably more important than food just because a lot of people, in my experience, if they exercise, they start doing their eight, ten, 12,000 steps a day.

12:25 They added weight training a couple of days a week. Even that like that kind of changes your environment in some ways because you're probably going to be outside more getting those steps and stuff like that. And automatically if people focus on exercise, they tend to start improving what they're eating ANYWAYS, even if you don't talk about food whatsoever. And if you're building a little bit muscle, that helps you lose a little bit of weight. And again, like the more muscle people have, typically they live longer, the better cardio shape they're in, they typically live longer.

12:50 And even if you're just doing 8 or 10,000 steps, you're going to live wait longer. And there was a study that was done. I don't really cite a lot of studies, but this one came to mind. I always told this to my clients just because it kind of like really hits home rich American. They do, I believe like 3500 or 4000 steps a day. And then like these researchers compared them to a group that did 8000 steps and a group that did 12,000 steps. And the group that did 8000 steps, they're all 'cause mortality was like 50% lower.

13:17 So they're basically 50% less likely to die from anything just from like the extra 4000 steps compared to the 4000 group and 12,000 and was like 65%. So if you just do all your steps, which is not big ask like that really improves your health right there. Like talking about the food for weight loss is just, it's missing the like the boat, missing the forest from the trees, you know, like, just like the steps alone are so important. And I would argue that the steps, I mean, so it's like it's a survey data with meaning.

13:44 Like they're just asking people. So I met the people who were doing a lot of steps were probably doing them outside. Granted, like when I used to go to a gym, there was a lot of people on the treadmill doing their steps, which I just think is like the stupidest thing in the world. Like why you inside when you just go outside and do the same steps and you're like driving to the gym, That's kind of like a side note. But I'm sure like a lot of those people were doing their steps outside and that's probably like even more beneficial.

14:06 And there's also like research showing that if you do a 10 minute walk after your meals, that lowers blood sugar by like 20 or 30%. And while that research is actually even done on a treadmill under blue light, but imagine if they did that same research outside. I'm sure probably like 50% or something like that. So there is just, there's so much more that comes before food and like to circle all the way back around. And that's kind of where I was noticing at my job was, yeah, like they lose weight, they get it all back.

14:32 So it's just a waste of time. So then you kind of find out like, oh, it's actually like laying water, time and temperature. That's really what determines everything else. So we're like, we're just doing it backwards basically. Like you're looking at movement and food and food specifically. That should be like the last thing you worry about. Like I don't care what you're eating if you're not seeing the sunrise everyday, Like it just like doesn't make sense. Like you're totally focused on a totally wrong thing.

14:57 So once and I and I ended up leaving that job, but once like I started my quantum dietitian thing, I started seeing like actual clients. They reached out through Instagram and stuff like that. Like the results are totally different. People actually start seeing sunrise and they implement all these habits. And the nice thing is it's all reconnecting with nature. So you can kind of do it anytime, anyplace. There's not a major financial cost to get into this stuff. Like obviously, and I'm not even a big like companies reach out all the time to work with me and I'm super, super picky.

15:31 Hence there's zero companies I work with right now. But like like grounding sheets would be like one thing I would recommend just because now you can be grounded when you're sleeping, but really a lot of times, like if you spend a bunch of time outside feet on the grass, like you just don't really need a lot. There's no financial barrier to get in versus like I'm going to take like 13 supplements that are costing you like 500 bucks a month. Like it kind of just ends up being like a cheaper thing and way, way, way more effective.

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17:57 The link will be in the description below alongside with the 15% discount code. Yes, well, fantastic. Well, you so many great points that you brought up there. I think something very important to mention there about the the psycho model. The color is in color is out. Yeah, is the reason why a lot of people get so confused and feel like it doesn't work is because the color is out part is a moving target. And this is where a lot of people get frustrated and they they get like depressed or put down is because it works at 1st and then it doesn't for some reason.

18:30 It's because your body's adaptive. You know, it's very intelligent. So even if you diet for a period of time, for example, and let's say you're on 1500 calories, eventually your body will, you know, eventually adapt to that. And now your maintenance calories is 1500. So now you have to lower it even more. So the body responds very well to change cycling pulsing. I did a really great episode, I'm sure you probably listen to it with Joel Green on the podcast. And he talked about the nature of cycling and pulsing between different types of diets and even different amounts of different seasons.

19:02 But yeah, so This is why, like, it may seem like it doesn't work, but at the end of the day, it literally does come back down to that when it comes to fat loss. Are you expending more energy than you're taking in? Pretty much. And you can optimize the energy out part as much as possible with everything that you just mentioned there through the biophysics, through the exercise, through the sleep. If you do those things, your metabolism starts to go through the roof. And if you learn to utilize specific macros as well to your advantage within your diet, you can boost your metabolism even further.

19:36 Of course, you don't need to do that all the time, but you need to find a way where it's sustainable for you. Let's dive a bit deeper into the nutrition discussion though today, connecting it to the biophysics. Do you want to tell me about the order of importance when it comes to food? Because you know, a lot of people think, OK, what's more important, right? The quality of food, the quantity of food, the timing of the food like. The season that we, the food, like the, you know, all this kind of stuff, in your mind, what is the most important thing?

20:09 You know, let's start from the most important to the, let's say, least important, but I guess they're all important. Yeah, Yeah, that's a really good question. No one's actually asked that so far, but that's actually a really good one I would say. I actually think people over complicate food. I'm actually, I've listened to some of your podcasts on all of them and I think you would agree that it's actually like way more simple than make people make it out to be. But I would say so I guess in terms of food, it would just come back down to an environment, both the environment that you're in yourself, like where you are physically in time and space, and also the environment the food has grown in, in both time and space.

20:45 What I mean is, I'll start with, I guess I can start with the food itself. So for example, it would be way different if I guess I'll use like a Jack Crews example, like you're in Boston, MA, it's winter, you're like on the 45th latitude and you're eating avocado from Mexico. It just doesn't really make any sense because food is energy, but it's also information. I guess everything would be at both energy and information. So the way I kind of think about the information and food is photosynthesis is basically taking light and converting it into matter.

21:19 And all that information, the light that the food was grown in is embedded in that food itself. And when that food runs through your mitochondria, it basically gets like the reverse process. It basically gets undone and now your mitochondria are reading all that information in the food. So if it doesn't match up to where that food was grown in, that can kind of create confusion for your mitochondria and that could lead to mitochondrial dysfunction down the line. A different way to think about the same thing would be most food is water.

21:49 And because of like Veda Austin and other water researchers, we know that water has memory. So a different way to think about it would be the food you're eating also has memory of like how that food was treated when it was like alive basically, and that stored. And same thing when you're eating that food and you're eating that memory, that's definitely going to have an impact on how you use that food 1st. And I mean, I think in some ways that's kind of obvious thing like you might not think about like the biophysics of it, but you go to like a farm and let's say you buy a nice steak from a regenerative farmer who does a great job.

22:26 He rotates his cows every day, doesn't use any pesticides at all, Super low stress environment. Like that steak is going to taste way better than a feed lot steak. And part of that you could say is like, like it's more nutrient dense. And we know that nutrients create flavor, but it could also be like, hey, it's just that's like that cow lived a good life. So it has like good memory in that steak opposed to like that cowess trust his whole life. And now like that steak you're eating is basically like traumatized, for lack of a better way of phrasing it.

22:57 And that would definitely have an impact on you as well. So I think if you're eating locally and seasonally and you asked about quality, like obviously the highest, I think like quality is kind of the same thing as the information piece because the higher the quality, the higher quality of information you're going to get. Verse like, let's say you eat like spinach from a greenhouse versus like at the farmers market over here. There's a guy who doesn't use any pesticides. Like he, he, he barely waters his plants.

23:25 He's like, I hope this grows. So I mean, it's obviously way more expensive because he's doing it right. And he's kind of like letting, he's letting the plant kind of do its thing, but it's so much more delicious. And it's just because yes, there's nutrients, but also like that guy's just doing a good job. So that information and the memory of that plant is just going to be so much better. So the quality and the information, the food, I would say are really pretty synonymous. And that's super important.

23:51 And obviously on like the biochemistry side of it, like the vitamins, the minerals, all the nutrients in the food that we don't even know that exists yet, but they obviously do exist. The higher the quality, the more of that in there. I know like agriculture right now, they talk about like nutrients per dollar and that's extremely important. Like you can buy like a cheap feed lot steak, but it's just like not super satisfying because it's just even though like even like the worst steak is probably like one of the better foods someone could eat.

24:18 Like it doesn't even compare it to like a high quality steak that has like all these vitamins, minerals, oxidants, phytonutrients and so on and so forth. Like I buy my steak from this guy and like the fats yellow. Like it's totally different then if you're just buying it from a feed lot. So like the quality of food obviously plays a role and you want the local and the seasonal kind of for the same reason. Because if you're buying it from across the world, it's not local or seasonal and that's just going to create chaos and your mitochondria.

24:45 Now I think that probably answers the question as far as the food itself, but then there's also like where you are in time and space. The example I always like to use because I think it makes the most sense. So like we're talking about the food, right? So let's say I went to my guy, I bought the best steak, like the yellowest bag you've ever seen in your life. And I eat that outside at solar noon with my feet on the grass. The way my body is going to respond to that steak is going to be so different than if I'm eating that same steak with the best memory, the best information at 10:00 PM at night under blue, right right before I go to sleep with my room with like my TV on, like it's not even close.

25:22 So even though the food is so 12 is still the highest quality, I think the biggest factor is where you are in time and space. Like what context is your body providing to utilize that food? And we kind of know this too, because you're a lot of people say calories and calories out a different way would probably be like calories used versus calories expended because just because you take in a food doesn't mean you're going to take in all those calories. A lot of research now like microbiome was the whole like the whole new thing.

25:52 And obviously like me and you, we know that light probably is the biggest factor in microbiome because all the bacteria, they run on a 24 hour clock just like we do. But like setting all that outside for a second, Like all the centralized research shows, like the more diverse your microbiome, they tend to utilize the food more and you typically like like poop out more calories, literally. So yes, like me and you, we could take, we could eat the same food and we could take in just because of microbiome in our digestion, like the quality of like our stomach acid and all that stuff.

26:21 Like me and you, we can eat the same exact food and we can get a totally different amount of calories. Like maybe I take in 500 calories and you take in like 800 or something like that. Maybe because your microbiome is just not as healthy. And then when you think about digestion, everything goes through your mitochondria. So the question is, how does that energy flow in your body? And also what is your mitochondria do with it? Like is your mitochondria going to burn it off? Is your mitochondria going to store it?

26:45 Is it going to use it as heat? Like what's going to happen with that? Food is also super important, and I think that's way more about where you are in time and space versus the food itself. So I'll say like food is like the least important. Like I would almost argue like if I'm on the beach grounding, I'm in the water and whatever and I'm eating ice cream from across the world. Like I really don't think that would be as bad as if I was eating a local ice cream. Like, but hypothetically if like my neighbor was a farmer and I had like raw milk ice cream that they made with like local honey and local milk and cream and I'm eating that at 10:00 PM under blue light.

27:23 In my opinion, that would be way more detrimental than eating the same ice cream across the world on the beach. Because where you are is going to like the environment your body provides is way more important, in my opinion at least, than the environment of the food. Everybody knows about vitamin C, but have you ever heard about vitamin G? I'm talking about grounding. We know that oxygen is important for our survival, but what if I told you that grounding is just as foundational for our health? Your body is literally a battery and needs to be recharged every single day.

27:54 Modern life depletes it. Fatigue, insomnia, brain fog, and restlessness, These all sound like a charge deficiency to me. You see, grounding is not optional, it's foundational. This is why I make sure to get my bare feet on the ground every single day and to ensure that I stay grounded 24/7 like our ancestors did. I use my favorite grounding sheet as I sleep to keep me connected. To the earth. At all times, check out my favorite grounding mats and sheets that I use on a daily basis by heading over to the description below.

28:23 And make sure to use the promo code attached to get a massive discount on your entire order. Obviously that everything plays a factor and just because in the world we live in, like nothing's ever going to be perfect, you're in like controlling your environment is probably more important than like the environment the food was in. But like I said, everything plays a role for sure. So, and then the timing, I guess I'll talk about light first. Like everyone right now, Huberman, everyone sunrise in the morning, that's all they talk about.

28:51 And the reason why is because you need that stimulus into your eye from like the blue light in the morning to get everything started. And I got a side note. I always like to mention blue light isn't really bad. It's only bad when it's out of context and everything is contextual. Like in the blue light in the morning, if you're not getting the right lux and you're not getting the right blue light, your base, your clock never get synced. And basically that's probably like long term what causes like health or disease or chronic conditions because you're not resetting that clock and you're not getting that stimulus, but you got a blue light, it hits your hypothalamus, it goes to the SCN, your master clock that gets your engines started for a day, for lack of a better way of thinking about it.

29:29 So you need that stimulus. And if you're not getting that morning light and you're just eating a bunch of food before sunrise, your body just is not prepared for that food. Granted, your liver has its own clock. Your our bodies are so smart. Like no, like none of us should probably be alive certain how many like chemicals, Emfs and so on are in our environment. But our bodies are smart so they can compensate. So there's other ways we can stop the clock and food is actually one of them. Because if you eat food at a certain time, this seemed to synchronize your liver clock independent of your SCN.

30:00 But that being said, you want to always try to eat after the sunrise. So you get the lux and you get the blue light to get everything started for the day and get everything synchronized for the day. Also, red light, for example, infrared light, that just literally makes your mitochondria work better. Like it stimulates the ATPA so it spins faster, so you're able to use more of the electrons you're getting from the food and you're creating more energy out of it. So that's also important. So if you're sitting inside all day, for example, and you're never getting that red light stimulus, it's just, again, you're not utilizing that food the optimal way.

30:35 You're just not going to be able to create as much energy as you should be able to from it. So that's definitely another issue like most people run into is there, they're eating inside right next to their router on their laptop under a fluorescent light. And it's a totally different environment than if you're eating outside and you're getting all the red light stimulus to get your mitochondria to just work so much better. So that's extremely important and kind of the reason. And I guess like light and dark, they set the time and a circadian rhythm.

31:07 I, I just call it time. I reference time in my book. I, I just think it's like an easier way to think about it and it's a more approachable thing because everyone knows what time is versus like not a lot of people know what circadian rhythm is. But if I'm like, oh, he's got to eat at certain times or you got to eat, not eat at certain times. I just think that's kind of a more approachable way to think about it. But in terms of time, you want to try to just eat when the sun is up. It's kind of one of the way I think about it because the sun is up, you can get the red and then you already got the morning sunrise.

31:35 You don't want to eat too close. I know you're going to ask me about leptin later, but you don't want to eat too close before bed because that's going to blow your leptin. Because it seems from what I was looking at, leptin starts to increase like 3 to 4 hours after your last meal. So if you're eating at 9:00 PM and you're going to bed at 10:00 PM, you're not really getting that leptin to, to start really increasing until like 12 AM. And that's just not ideal as opposed to if you ate at 5:00 PM and you're going to bed at 9:00 PM, like you got that four hour window in there.

32:03 So I think all those, there's a lot of, there's a lot of research about circadian rhythm and intermittent fasting on Sasha and Panda. He wrote a really good book, Circadian Code about it. And there is a ton of research showing that when you eat, like even like these people don't even know about sunrise or anything. Like it's very like centralized research. But even then they've like, there's so much research showing like people who intermittent fast and they don't eat after a certain time, they're way more insulin sensitive, they all lose weight.

32:34 They're just like so much more. Like there's so much research showing how beneficial like an Internet fasting is. And I'm not a proponent of fasting, but technically you're, if you just eat when the sun is up, like you're automatically fasting basically. Like it's such an easy like thing to think about and like a rule to follow. And I mean like if you think about in the winter, you're going to be doing like 16 hour fast because like where I am in Maryland, sunrise is like at 7:30 and like peak winter, like end of December, sunset's like at 4:30.

33:02 So basically it's like a 7 or 8 hour wind eating window. So you're going to be getting like your 16 hour fast. And when it's summer and you got all the local fruits and vegetables, like sunrise is like at 5:30 and sunset's like 8:30. So you got like a way bigger eating window. So if you just think about it, like if you're just eating with the seasons, it's just you basically just can't go wrong. Like if just eat local seasonally and even the sun and stuff that basically takes care of all the food issues.

33:27 It doesn't really have to be any more complicated than that. Like obviously there's some things like DHA for example, that's really, really important. But again, if you're eating local seasonal, like a lot of people who seek, there's always selection bias, but a lot of people who reach out to me, they're already eating pretty. It's kind of funny. I'm a dietician. So like you would think people would reach out about like food device, but everyone who reaches out to me is already eating pretty well.

33:50 If anyone looked at what they're eating, they're going to be like, this is perfect. They they typically eat like breakfast around 7:00 AM, like a lunch around noon or 1:00 PM and then dinner like a 5 or 6:00 PM, no snacking in between. And like that's it. Like they, they could probably benefit from a little bit more local and a little bit more seasonal, but everyone's already eating pretty well. Again, selection bias, but they're like everyone who reaches out to me is obviously still has health issues that they're trying to figure out.

34:13 I guess like as a side no, like your health isn't really necessarily going to be affected by the foods you're eating. I think the foods you're eating could probably make it worse. But let's say you're fatigued, you're not sleeping well, you're tired all the time. Like like you want to take a nap after, eat your lunch. Like all your classic symptoms of mitochondrial dysfunction, like you go keto, keto carnivore. Like it's probably not going to fix any of those issues. Maybe it kind of like slaps a Band-Aid on it for, I don't know, like 2323 months maybe.

34:43 But no one, it eventually sticks to it long term just because it's not really fixing the root cause, which is the mitochondrial dysfunction. So again, it just comes back to like, yeah, like if you're eating a bunch of chemicals, like down the line, that's a mitochondrial toxin itself. But if you're as eating local and seasonal, that's the good rule of thumb. And then it kind of you don't have to focus on food as much and you can focus on all your stuff like getting as much light, getting as much red light and so on and so forth.

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36:29 Wow. Fantastic breakdown. So many, so many good points there. I think just to summarize in it, you know, one sentence, what you said pretty much is that there is an order of importance here and that the type of food that you eat is not as impactful as as people think on their health. Of course, we're not saying that you should eat shit food, but of course, like the when you eat and where you eat has a way greater impact on your metabolism and your metabolic health than the type of food that you're consuming.

36:59 And if that food that you're consuming is local and seasonal, that's an even greater addition to the whole piece of the the puzzle because as you mentioned there, what was really powerful is that the same person can eat the same meal in a different environment and can have a completely different metabolic response. And then also as well with the timing as well, you know, if the timing is off, they're eating very late at night. So, you know, this idea that many people have tried to bust over the years, which they thought it was a myth, eating like a banana after 7:00 PM makes you fat.

37:31 Yes, it may not make you fat if you're in a calorie deficit, but exactly what you just mentioned there. You are sabotaging many hormones and many things that are supposed to be taking place in the body due to the circadian mechanism. And because the body is literally a circadian system from top to bottom, every single cell is circadian in nature. When you break that circadian, you break the laws of physics. Pretty much. That's when you throw the timing off and then your body is not able to heal, regenerate, repair, detoxify.

38:02 Metabolism isn't working properly, so therefore you start to accumulate issues in your body and it shows up differently in different individuals. Do you want to dive a bit deeper though into the seasonal aspects? For me, go a bit more scientific if you can. Why should someone care to eat seasonally, specifically and locally? Like if we go on a deeper level, what's actually going on within the body when we're eating within season and locally? Yeah, sure. So I think it will kind of go back to the water having memory and all.

38:37 So the light itself. So just like the light part of it specifically. So like food, because a photosynthesis, photosynthesis, it is turning light into matter that and like you're eating that plan. And then so let's say I eat a potato or like it doesn't matter. Well, let's say I eat a potato or banana, like you said. So I eat that banana and that banana is really just stored sunlight with some water basically. That's a good way to think about it and you digest it and you absorb it and you obviously like you're not like through the mitochondria, you're not having like little pieces of banana go through your mitochondria.

39:12 What you're what you're having is electrons are going through your mitochondria to create energy. And I'm definitely like, I try to make things simple, but basically like over simplification. But you like your mitochondria has like a barrier basically. And you have protons and as electrons jump from the different complexes, they push the protons into the barrier and then they kind of circle back around and you have the motor, the ACP as and the protons basically like push the motor to create ATP.

39:44 So all the electrons from the banana, which is the end result of like after like the end result digestion like food is electrons, basically electrons and protons and those electrons from the light, they have certain information. And I'm definitely not a quantum physicist, but we basically know that like when to like spooky action and distance like Einstein called in electrons or anything really that's ever interacted before. They they still are like on a quantum scale, they're kind of semi connected.

40:12 So. All the all that light and all that information from the food, your mitochondria is still in that electron somehow and it's still in the water from the food too. And as your mitochondria are like processing all these electrons and they're jumping from the different complexes and stuff like that, your mitochondria is decoding that information. And if that information is not lining up with where you are in time and space, like it's totally opposite from the information or where the food was grown in time and space, that's just going to lead to mitochondrial dysfunction.

40:46 And a different way. Like I'm like, magnetism is like probably like the thing I'm most confused about still. Like right now, like my project on the side has been like, I want to be able to explain magnetism for a 5 year old and I haven't even got close. But we know that basically magnetism effects how charges move and like electron spin specifically. So again, like the magnetic environment that food was grown in is going to impart a certain spin on the electrons as well. And when your mitochondria and that electron spin kind of sticks to the food.

41:17 So when your mitochondria are passing those electrons through, if they're spinning the wrong way or they're not spinning in a way that's aligned with the magnetic environment that you're currently in, that could also potentially lead to issues. Because if you think about like the Earth, we have like 2 hemispheres. So if you're in the other one that let's say I'm like over here, I'm in the US, but if I was to eat something from, I don't know, like China or whatever, and I'll never eat anything from China.

41:42 But if I was hypothetically, the magnetism would be going like the electron would be spinning the totally other way and that'll just again, create chaos in your mitochondria. So I think that's probably the best way to answer that. Oh, really really good answer. I think it's important for people to understand the mechanism behind it. Why I'm asking you this very basic question is because you know, hopefully someone who is not into circadian rhythms and quantum biology is listening to this discussion today because this knowledge is literally foundational to understand.

42:11 Because if you understand why you're doing it, you're more likely to actually do the right thing, right? Why should you actually eat local and seasonal, you know? And also if you notice as well when you go to the store or all the farmers market and you buy local and seasonal, it's also cheaper as well. So it makes sense like, you know, for your finances too, like, you know, everything is, it's supposed to go like this, like, you know, in here in Cyprus, for example, where I live in the summer, like watermelon, maybe $0.50 per kilo and then you know, it might be like 57K watermelon, for example.

42:45 So it's like, it's incredible, right? It's going to last me a couple of days. And and that's just the beauty of like eating local and seasonal. Plus you're supporting your local farmers and produce, which is super important because if you're always, you know, relying on other countries to import, import your food, eventually, if you're not growing your own food inland, you might be stuck in a situation where wow, like you're, you're screwed pretty much. And then Bill Gates is going to have to come and save you with some some man made steak or some man made burger.

43:16 Exactly so. True. Do you want to talk, talk to me a bit about the deuterium topic if you know much about the and like why that's like a problem because that ties into the seasonal aspect as well. Yeah, Yeah, I totally, totally forgot about deuterium. That's probably where you were headed in the 1st place. Yeah. So deuterium, deuterium is actually interesting because I think we know we don't know as much as we think we do about it, but from. So basically there is 3 isotopes of hydrogen and I think the one in US like just like normal hydrogen, I don't remember what it's actually called is just hydrogen just has like 1 proton and 1 electron and has a molecular weight of 1 I believe.

43:59 But deuterium it has two protons meaning is twice as heavy. So the reason why that's important is like outside of like your ATP as and how it spins like outside in like the protons go across the membrane and they circle back around and they go through the motor. But The thing is, if somehow a deuterium gets in there, which is twice as big, the idea is to just like jams the motor and it like literally like breaks your mitochondria. And if it doesn't break it, it's just going to be way less efficient.

44:26 So you're not going to be able to use that energy as well as you should be able to. And I think the idea is the reason why we have so many steps of glycolises and like our metabolism is as complicated as it is, is because they're all like wedding out processes to get deuterium out. So the only protons to get into your, your mitochondria are just going to be like regular hydrogen molecules versus deuterium. So deuterium, like I said, it breaks your mitochondria. And the idea is we evolved the deuterium levels, I think.

44:56 I mean, like we don't, I don't think we know for sure. Everybody, it's gonna be like around like 130 parts per million, maybe like a little bit less. And right now, like the average person is like 150 a 155 parts per million. So that's like a major, if you think about like in terms of percent, that'll be like a 2025% increase in deuterium levels. And our bodies just weren't built for that. So that's so deuterium is probably a major reason why our mitochondria are as dysfunctional as they are. And the reason why this is important is because different parts of the world have different deuterium concentrations in the food.

45:28 So for example, when you go like more north towards the poles, their water is way lower and deuterium because it's way colder. And then when you go closer to the equator, the deuterium content of the foods is way, way higher. So for example, if I am so I'm in Maryland, it's spring here right now. We actually have been getting like UV6UV7. So it's getting up there. It's getting pretty nice outside. Let's say it's wonder and it's like UV1 and I'm eating these high actually. Let me, I guess I'll backtrack.

46:01 So the reason why light is so important is because it basically counteracts iterium. So it's kind of like the remedy. So if you're in a, if you're eating like bananas and pineapples and whatever, but you're also near the equator and you have like UV11UV12, you got all the red light and everything. Even though that deuterium is still not ideal, you're, you're, you're able to use the light to kind of like rectify the situation and it's able to basically counteract all the negative effects of deuterium versus if I don't have that light stimulus and I'm eating like a pineapple, that's like 160 parts per million in deuterium.

46:33 There's just nothing I can do about it. Just like a really bad situation to be in for my mitochondria. And it basically just leads to way more issues down the line. And in terms of foods like the teeter content, animal fats are typically the lowest, like tallow beef fat is typically one 10120 parts per million roughly off the top of my head. Laszlo Burrows, he has like a really good PowerPoint. I, I put appendix in my book actually by basically took the whole appendix just from his PowerPoint on his website where he broke down like specific foods, then fruits, vegetables, stuff like that is going to be between like 140 a 150, sometimes 160 if it's super tropical, and then processed food, seed oil, stuff like that.

47:15 Like seed oils I believe are like I think you quoted on a podcast saying like 250 parts per million. So like talking about like destroying your mitochondria basically. With that being said, on what podcast she talks about that he's keto and he's carnivore for that reason, just because the fees are like more deuterium depleted. But I don't think that's the full story. Can like I just no one's ever like firstly, no one's ever going to do the research on this. So it's basically like everyone just has to do end of 1 and we just got to see what happens.

47:44 But I was listening to a podcast with Sarah Kleiner and she was talking about how her like her husband eats like bananas in the winter and stuff like that. And she measured his deuterium and it was still like super low. It was like 1:30 or like 133, something like that. So I think there is other ways we can deplete deuterium. I think sweating is probably a pretty good way. Exercise seems really effective. Hot and cold sauna, especially the hot seems really effective at depleting deuterium. So I don't necessarily think deuterium is again, it's not a food story necessarily.

48:16 It's your environment that you're in. But the but the food definitely plays a bigger role here. And water, same thing. The water because like most of the terium, like if you think about how much like I sweat a ton, I'm very active. So I'm drinking a ton of water. And I mean, I've never measured the water here, but I like water filters and stuff like that. But obviously that doesn't actually affect the terium in any way. It's just gonna remove micro plastics and chemicals and floor right and stuff like that.

48:43 So I'm guessing I'm probably drinking water that's like 150 a 155 parts per million. But as it gets nicer salad, that becomes less of an issue because again, there's more sunlight. But also I'm sweating, I'm moving, I'm doing all these other things that come way before the water you're drinking and the food you're taking. Yeah, which honestly probably still play a bigger role to be honest with you. But it's just again, as sub optimal to be drinking or eating a banana when it's like you've even went outside.

49:08 It just doesn't really make any sense. It's flying. And also like kind of to your point, it's just not sustainable. Like just from like a moral or like ethical perspective, like you should be supporting your local farmer. They're typically really good people. And when shit goes sideways, that farmer is probably going to help you out. Like I remember like kind of like personal story, but I remember like during COVID here in the US, like if you went to the grocery store, you weren't able to buy beef.

49:34 Like it was sold out and like the shells were cleared. And I remember I texted my guy and I was like, oh, like I'm starting. Like I actually like, I used to not buy cows. Now I just buy like 1/2 a cow or a full cow at a time. Just stick it in my freezer. So I have it. But I used to be like more picky and I used to be like, oh, I like New York strips. I like rib eye. So I was like way more picky. So I remember I was like running low. I, like, eat a lot of ground beef too, but I was running low and like, you couldn't go to the grocery store and buy it.

49:59 And so I texted my guy and I was like, oh, I'm running a little on beef. Can I get like 50 or 100 lbs? And he's like, yeah, sure, no problem. It'll be like a couple weeks versus. And then I was asking him and I was like, oh, like, Are you sure you can do that? Because like, everyone wants beef. He's like, oh, yeah, I'm just turning away all the new people. Like if you haven't been my customer before, you're not going to be my customer now. Because basically like all these people, they were going to go to the farm and as soon as they could go back to the grocery store, they were going to just leave anyways.

50:28 Like they were never going to stick around. So for, for like from just like a ethical perspective, like if you go to your farmer, when you actually need that food from the farmer, they're always going to hook you up. So I think like in terms of like food security, like you want to go local and you want to go seasonal. And also like you said, it is way cheaper like where I am like for example, like I can go to the farm and I can buy like a bushel of apples for probably $30. A bushel is probably like 40 lbs of apples.

50:54 You go to the grocery store right now, it'll be like $3 a pound for an apple. So if you are eating local and seasonal, you can get the highest quality, pay more nutrient nonce food for what, a fraction of the price as well. These it seems like farms aren't really any cheaper. Like if I went to like Whole Foods where someone went to the farm, it's about the same price, then why would you just not go to the farm where you can actually see the animals? Like I go to the farm, I see the cows just chilling like I know what's going on.

51:15 So I think even at the prices you're saying when you just wanna know where your food is actually coming from and have a connection with it, it's kind of cool. I can go to a farm and I can be like that cows name is Betty and I'm gonna eat Betty next week. I know that sounds like messed up, but at least you see the actual cow and it's not my expertise as part as Quantum goes. And it's more like we'll be like in the woo space. There's definitely like I think there's like a connection with like, oh, like you actually see the cow and I think that's like in some ways that probably has an impact on how your body is able to deal with the cow.

51:48 I can necessarily, I can't necessarily like prove it and I haven't even gone down those rabbit holes otherwise, but it's something that just kind of like makes intuitive sense to me. Your blue light blockers, they're a scam. No, seriously, use this RGB test on the screen to see if your red lens blue light blocking glasses actually work. If you can see any of the green or blue light on the screen, that means your blue light blocking glasses are not protecting your melatonin. Most people know about the harms of artificial blue light, and so people go and buy blue light blocking glasses thinking they're all blue.

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53:39 They can't imagine, you know, staring an animal in the eye and killing it. Like it's actually like so, so hard to actually do, especially if it's not like with a gun or something like that, you know, like a quick kill. So it just feels like you really connect deeply and you feel for the animal. And there is something in that spiritual connection because as you mentioned throughout this entire discussion that we had today, is that the biophysics literally controls the biochemistry inside our body.

54:07 And it, This is why the nutrition discussion is like, it's just surface level talk, right? Like what happens with the nutrition is based on external factors. And it's with these biophysical forces, for example, like thought is a bio is a biophysical phenomenon. You know, your brain waves, exercise is a biophysical phenomenon. Like you're applying pressure in your body, you're changing the biochemistry inside of your body, right? So it just shows you how just relying on nutrition for instructions to take place is like, OK, if your machinery is broken, it's not somehow going to magically fix your machinery, which is your mitochondria.

54:46 And as you mentioned, if you have mitochondrial dysfunction or damage, you're going to have low energy, fatigue tanks, hormones, low thyroid, no sex drive. Like you're going to have no motivation for life and you don't want to get out of bed. And most people are actually operating from that place and they're then trying to eat the best diet in the world. And then, of course, that's a good thing, that if they, you know, transition from a crap diet to a better diet, but then they still don't feel better.

55:11 And then this is when they end up coming to the stuff that, you know, you and me are talking about right now. They start to realize, oh, I'm doing all the exercise, I'm doing all the nutrition, but I still don't feel good. I still feel fatigued. I'm low energy, you know, I'm not sleeping well. And then you realize that, well, there are some greater forces at play here, right? Yeah. That's such a good point. And like the whole like placebo effect, like that's such a real thing. I don't know if you saw the study, but there is one study where they gave people like steroids, but it was actually a placebo and they gained way more muscle than the control group.

55:43 That was just they, they knew that they weren't getting a steroid, but both groups had the same thing. It was like a sugar pill. They just told one group that they were getting like some kind of steroid. I don't remember which one. And the other group, they're just like, yeah, it's just like a placebo. You're not getting anything. In the group that they thought were getting steroids, they gained like an insane amount of muscle. So that kind of just like, it's kind of like funny because like if you just train harder and you think this is going to work, it probably will work.

56:06 And I also think like if you're like, if you go into the mindset of trying to lose weight and you're like, this is never going to work for me. You're just simply never going to lose weight. As opposed to like, like I strongly believe if you like, I feel like you can almost like, because mitochondria used to be like their own thing. Like they, like, there's a lot of theories about how mitochondria came to be, but they used to be their own entity. And I strongly believe you can almost like talk to your mitochondria.

56:29 And I feel like if you were like, think to yourself, like, oh, like my mitochondria, they can work faster, they can work better. Like that might just actually lead to less mitochondrial dysfunction and otherwise. But if you're always like thinking like negative thoughts, because again, not my area expertise, but like fascia, the idea of fascia is like stores memory and stuff like that. I'm not like fascia, like I know it's part of the quantum space, but I haven't just like, I haven't taken like that rabbit hole just yet.

56:54 But we know that fascia stores memory and trauma. Like a really good example is my dad is a masseuse and sometimes when he gives people massages and like in like some certain location, people like randomly start crying and stuff like that. And it's because there is like memory in that fascia in that location. So I think that if you are like from like the emotional, spiritual, like whatever kind of perspective, if you're just like not in the right state of mind, it's just going to make it so much harder to lose weight.

57:22 I'm more focused like just like who I am. I'm more focused like on what I can find on pub Med basically. That's kind of like my approach. But there is like the whole like behavioral, emotional, spiritual thing where if you're just not in the right frame of mind or you're under stress, everything becomes so much harder. And even like take something like stress, stress comes in. So like everything is a stressor. Like we think about physical stress, like microplastics are a stressor. I mean, Andrew Moreno basically says like, oh, like, we don't really know how Emfs are negative, but we know that they basically are just like another stressor.

57:52 And like all these stressors fill up over time. The analogy I always like is like your bucket, like as long as your bucket is not all the way full and overflowing, like you're probably fine. And once your bucket starts overflowing, that's when you're going to run into like issues, health issues, chronic disease, stuff like that. And for everyone, the size of their bucket is always going to be super different. Like for me personally, like the reason I'm interested in the space is I definitely know my bucket.

58:16 It's like a little bit smaller. Like I'm pretty sensitive to EMS for sure. It's not horrible. But if I'm like in a place, like if I go into like the city or something like that and there's like cell phone towers everywhere, like I'm there for two or three hours, like I feel shitty. I have brain fog. Like I'm just, I'm sensitive to that. So I know my bucket is just not as big as other peoples versus like one of my friends who's going to who's going to try to join the military soon. Like he can like he lives in the city, he's totally fine.

58:42 He's running like 6 miles in like 40 minutes, like ridiculous shape, like kind of like a freak. He's like, I don't know what you're talking about. I feel totally fine, Randy. He does he pretty well overall and stuff like that. But his bucket is just way bigger than mine. But all like all these things like microplastics, all these toxins, really they're all just different stressors. And I could say your mindset is going to fill the bucket as well. Same idea. It's just creating stress and it has that bucket overflows from all these different things.

59:10 That's when you're running into issues. So like the mental and the spiritual would affect the bucket just as much as like a physical thing like EMS or blue light. It's all kind of leading to the end result, which is like chronic fatigue. And also everyone is different in terms of like me and you like, let's say both our buckets got full. I might have, I don't know, I might get, like, brain fog and I might just be like, chronic fatigue, something like that. And maybe you have, like, heart issues or something like that.

59:37 Like everyone just has totally different sizes of buckets. But also what happens to your body? Like, everything is super different now. Yeah. Like, Andrew, even though Andrew Marino's book was not about stress at all, I think he proved a really good point. And like, all these results, they seem random, like he was never able to repeat the same experiment. Like he was always able to prove like EMF exposure led to issues, but he could never get a repeat of the issues it brought to because they're all just different stressors.

1:00:03 And there's Robert Sapolsky, he wrote a book like why is he risk at ulcers? I read this like a long time ago but he linked stress to anything you think of like cancer, heart disease. Arthritis, like whatever you could think of, stress was involved, but just because you're stressed, you're not going to get all those things. You're probably going to get one or two because I think we're most susceptible to 1 issue. I don't know what that is for me. I have an idea that it's probably just like I'm way more susceptible to just like overall mitochondrial dysfunction like throughout my body and I just because I know it's like if I go somewhere like I said, higher EMF, just I'm not eating as well.

1:00:37 I'm on vacation or something like that. I overall just like feel like more tired, just more lethargic. Like I don't necessarily like notice like one part of my body responding worse than other part. It's just overall just I'm just not performing as well as I would like to be performing versus like someone might like kind of like feel fine, but then they're having like knee pain or something like that. David Herrera I really like him for sure. Like awesome guy. He was saying like how he was living next to a cell phone tower and for him it was his joints that were causing issues because he was a power lifter.

1:01:08 So like he felt fine. Like I don't remember him saying he was tired or anything like that, but it was just joint issues versus his wife. She had like GERD, she had acid reflux, like totally unrelated things, but the cause is the same. It's just for them, it was a cell phone tower, which is just stress. And I think the nice thing is if you think about it this way too, you can like you're like, we live in 2026. You're never going to be perfect about EMS. You're never going to be perfect about blue light.

1:01:31 It's just impossible. But if you can kind of tackle it from all these different directions, including mindset and spirituality, you just have to, you just have to make sure the bucket instead of overflowing is back down. Maybe it's never going to be at the bottom. Like the bucket is never going to be empty. It's just not going to happen. Maybe if the bucket is, maybe you can keep it like under 50% or under 75%, like just keep it below the overflowing threshold. You'll probably feel fine. And it's kind of like it's kind of goes back to like to circle all the way back to the beginning like food.

1:02:00 No one is saying the food is unimportant, but it might. It just has a smaller role. And it's not let's say like light and EMF's, they might just fill your bucket up more than food will. But if you can eat healthy, that's like 5 or 5 or 10% that you can remove off this bucket and that might make all the difference. So it's kind of like a selection bias. Like the people who see me are already eating really well because they try to do the diet thing and didn't fix their issues. But there's obviously people who are never going to hire me because they change their diet and now they feel good so they don't ever need me.

1:02:34 And the reason why is because that 5 or 10% of The Who did it was enough to drop their bucket from overflowing just to like right underneath overflowing. So eventually as they get older and stuff like that, it's probably going to start overflowing again. Because obviously as you age, you have heteroplasma in your mitochondria and that's going to lead to mitochondrial dysfunction. So then you're going to have to like, all right, like food's not working. So now I got to focus on the time and the Emfs and all that stuff.

1:02:59 But I think it's kind of interesting in the health space because the people who are into health typically had their own issues and they had to figure this stuff out on their own. But the people who never had issues in the 1st place, they just have like a huge ass bucket to begin with. They just, they never even get into health. They're like, oh, I eat pretty good. I go to the gym and I feel fantastic. And they're not lying at all. They probably do feel fantastic, but they're just built different than people who have issues to begin with.

1:03:25 So it's kind of definitely something to think about. And I think like at my previous job, like all these people were like, oh, like, I don't know if I'm going to lose weight doing this. Like if you don't know if you're going to lose weight, you're definitely not going to lose weight. Like, it doesn't matter how many calories you're not eating, you know what I mean? It's just like that meant like what you're thinking plays such a big role. And as an athlete, it's just like you learn how important mindset is.

1:03:47 Like, I remember they brought in like a sports psychologist one time who was also like a Division One All American and wrestling. He was like, yeah, like pressure is just something you put on yourself. Like you create your own pressure. No one's putting pressure on you. So like, mindset is just so important. Like how you perform is typically a mindset thing. And obviously as you get to the peak of whatever thing you're trying to perform your best at, whether it's sport or your job or like whatever it becomes like for example, like for wrestling, like I'm just really slow.

1:04:13 Like I've always been slow. Like I'm definitely not an athlete by any means. And no matter how how like how much strength and conditioning I did, like I was just always slow and that wasn't going to change. But I was. But even with like my not very good genetics, I was able to still wrestle Division One because the mindset was good and everything else was good. So again, it's just kind of like your bucket. And I think like some people are just super predisposed to certain issues versus some people or like not predisposed at all to certain stuff.

1:04:39 But that book is so important. And the mindset probably like, I wouldn't be surprised if like on this like fictional bucket, like 50% of it could be your mitochondria. And like the other 50% is probably just like your mindset, like no matter what, like if you're, if you always have like negative thoughts and you're always trust. It's just, it's just hard for me to imagine people making progress. And stress is so important anyways, because if you think about it, even on a physical level, like if you're struggling with stress and you're trying to fall asleep, it might be harder to sleep.

1:05:10 So even if you think about it just on such a basic level like that. And that's why like just to circle all the way back around to food, a lot of people who see me, they're actually pretty low carb, which I totally disagree with because I think if you're low carb for an exciting period of time, that's actually a stressor on your body. Same thing if you're in a calorie deficit for I, I didn't listen to that podcast with Joel Green, but I'm sure he probably would have said something along the lines of if you're going to calorie deficit for a long period of time, you're actually creating stress on your body.

1:05:36 And that's one of the reasons why you're intact. Slows down. Yeah. Yeah, I figured. I've listened. I think he was on Mark Bell's podcast maybe and he probably. Has some. Yeah. So like, if you're just in a calorie deficit for a long time, that's a stressor on your body and your body tries to adapt to the stress. And that's why it's hard to lose weight because your body's adapting to it. So you got to like, remove as many stressors as you can. And that's probably like his argument for like, well, like maybe between a calorie deficit in one week and then not the next week because your body, but even though it's going to take you twice as long to lose the weight, your body is, it's never going to feel super stressed.

1:06:08 So it's way easier. And it's why you see like bodybuilders when they're cutting their sleep is like super bad towards the end of the cut because they've been in calorie deficit for so long. And your body's like in a manic state. Like your body's like, we need to like go and get food because we're so stressed because lack of food is a stressor, just like EMS or blue light or anything. So, and that's so. And the carbs are the same way. Like I know for me, I played around. I'm sure like you have, I'm sure everyone in the space has like play around with keto and Carn like you feel like pretty good on keto for the first couple weeks, maybe a month or two.

1:06:41 And then after that, I know it's for me like I just couldn't sleep. Like I've been a very good sleeper. Like especially after I dealt with the EMS and I have a grounding pad and all that stuff. Like I put my head on the pillow. I wake up the next morning, I go low carb, I put my head on the pillow. I wake up like five times in the middle of night and I'm like, what's going on? I can't sleep. As soon as you add carbs back in, I can sleep well. So that's obviously a stressor for me. So like low carb is not for me.

1:07:03 And even like in the like, I've kind of, I've changed my mind on this. I think even in the winter, I think you should still be eating carbs. And I think there are certain things like for example, I think if you can store it somewhere cold, like for example, I bought a bunch of potatoes, I bought a bunch of apples. I'm talking like hundreds of pounds. And I just put in my basement and they're fine all winter. Like they're good for four or five, six months is if you think about like grocery store potatoes, for example, like they probably were picked out the ground like four months ago and like the whole supply chain is just super long.

1:07:34 But if you get those potatoes from your local farmer, they still have the right barcode. They still have the pretty close Ethereum content. Obviously like your light environment isn't going to be a perfect match because you're eating it in the winter when it was maybe grown or picked when it was like UB4UB5. So it's not like a perfect one to one, but it's still like pretty good and you can handle those carbs still a lot better because the memory is right. The information is still pretty good. It's just a deterioration.

1:08:00 It's not 100% right on, but that little like I would argue for me at least, and everyone is different, which is why I think having a coach is super important. But for me, I'd argue like, whatever stress that deuterium is causing in my body from the potatoes and the apples I'm eating is way smaller than that stress that's causing me to wake up five times in the middle of night because I'm getting 100% local and seasonal. So now I'm not getting carbs. It's just, yeah. So it's just, it's just, yeah, like that stresses.

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1:09:29 You could obsess about all the things. But if you're, you know, not resilient, like then of course, you know, you're going to your body is going to break down, it's going to show some symptoms. But if your bookie is overflowing, then you're going to be more sensitive to things and then it makes you also more fearful. So it just makes sense that exactly you should like make an effort like to take care of your environment, not over obsess about things, but just still try to do the best that you can with the situation that you're in, like manage the biggest needle movers.

1:09:58 And in my opinion, and your opinion, I believe, is that like light and sleep, I would say are some of the biggest needle movers for our health. And if we can get those right, you know, because we all know that sleep is foundational and obviously sleep is tight to the circadian rhythm, to the light and dark cycles, our connection with nature. So if we get that right, then, you know, our bodies way less stress. It can tolerate other stresses in life. And that's what life is all about. It's about getting away with doing as much dumb stuff as possible without like actually harming you.

1:10:31 But pretty much everybody wants to enjoy things from time to time. Like I'm not like superhuman or something. I love eating ice creams, I love eating marshmallows. I love eating condoms, for example. And I will like do these things from time to time, but I'm not going to do them like every single day. It's like maybe 1 or 5% of my diet, right If the 95. Percent. Is good and I'm eating in alignment with the lights and dark cycles and you know, I'm eating seasonally and locally and then I'm also not over consuming food as well.

1:11:02 I think that's a very important part of the discussion because when people talk about deuterium, for example, I've never any I've never heard anybody talk about deuterium in the context of energy intake. So if someone is eating in an energy surplus versus a calorie deficit, is still eating deuterium an issue? You know, because I feel like if you're dieting and you're losing body fat, you're probably not intaking as much deuterium anyway because you're eating less food. Plus your body is probably more efficient at burning, you know, the energy.

1:11:32 So maybe your body is like more efficient at getting rid of the deuterium. I don't know. But do you want to maybe talk a little bit about if you are, if you're OK with time, do you want to talk a bit about the importance of food timing as a circadian cue and why, why that's? Important. Yeah. Let me come back to that actually, because I want to touch on something you said and then you're probably gonna have to remind me the question. But, and I'm pretty, I'm good for another like 15 ish minutes. So we'll be good.

1:11:58 But what you said is right on the your what you said is right on the money. The reason why we're why me and you are doing this quantum stuff is so we can do dumb stuff or we can do what we want to do. Like if I wanted to do a 10 minute mile hike tomorrow, I should have the capacity to be able to do that. And I'm not a big travel guy. But let's say I don't know, like my girlfriend wants to go to Italy or something and I want to go with her. Like, that's terrible. I'm in a microwave for like 12 hours on a plane.

1:12:21 I get there and the circadian clock is all off, but I'm resilient enough and I'm healthy enough and my bucket is empty enough where I can do that. And I'm going to be OK. I'm so like, the reason why we're all trying to be healthy is, yeah, so we can get away with stuff. Like I have a sweet tooth. My, that's my, that's my weakness. Like, I eat pretty well, my man. Do I like my sweets? Like cookies, baked goods, I love them. But I'm like, OK, like if I just eat these outside with my feet on the ground, like, it's probably OK.

1:12:47 And I'm definitely not eating them every day. But I think, like, in the summer, if I did eat them every day and I eat them outside, I'll probably still be fine too because I think, like, light is such a bigger mover than the food thing. But yeah, that's what you're trying to be. I think people forget that. And that's one of my like, rants is like on social media, I see these people, it's probably just creating stress. Like I see all these people who like almost like ODD or they're like anxious about it.

1:13:12 Like they're like, oh, like if I drink coffee from a plastic cup, those microplastics are going to kill me. Like, but that's just like a bad mindset because the stress from thinking that is probably worse than the actual microplastics that you're taking in. And as we know, like you'll be like, I'm just going to go sweat out those microplastics when I go work on my tan later anyways. So I think it is like, it almost is like, what can you get away with? And you should have the resilience and the capacity to get away with that.

1:13:38 And I think you have to be more strict. Like if you already have issues, then I think you actually have to dial in and be more focused. But fortunately I don't really have any major issues. So for me it is more of a game of like, all right, like how much can I do and how much can I get away with? And I, I'm fortunate, like I'm pretty in touch with myself where I know if I'm doing like too much stupid stuff, I can kind of cash myself because I just start not feeling as good. I'm like, it's like time to back it in.

1:14:04 Like I pushed it like too much and the bucket started like overflowing a little bit so I can kind of dial it back in. But it really is like, we're doing this to like enjoy ourselves at the end of the day. Like, and you're definitely not going to be perfect, perfect. Like I work at a job where I'm still under blue light most of the time, but it's like, all right. Like I have a couple incandescent next to my laptop at work. I'm getting ready for when when and I'm trying to get outside as much as possible or I'm trying to get dinner with family or friends or whoever.

1:14:29 Like, yes, maybe the sun's gone down or yes, maybe 7:00 PM and I'm still going to go. And so it's definitely not ideal for my left then, but it's one night and I can recover. I just got to see the sunrise the next day. I got to get my feet on the ground in the morning. I got to just eat better. And like that one meal I had at a restaurant, which probably wasn't like super bad anyways. Like if you just make like a pretty decent decision, like my big thing right now is anytime I go to a restaurant, I'm just gonna get seafood because DHA is so important.

1:14:54 And that's not something I eat as much as I probably should be. So if you make like decent decisions and you're like pretty good most of the time and you build that, like empty that bucket enough, then you can actually have fun and like do stupid stuff and you're probably going to be OK. And I think like focusing about perfection too much is actually going to lead to more issues and more stress than like just not being perfect in the 1st place. So kind of just, yeah, I basically agree with you. But I think that's super important.

1:15:23 And I don't think like anyone talks about that. Like I basically, I don't think I've ever heard a podcast where someone's like, oh, like, you're not going to be perfect. That's totally cool. And that's stress in perfection. It's probably going to be worse for you than just not being perfect in the 1st place. Like I just don't think people mention that enough. But just from like the clients I see, like if someone's like 45, they have a wife or a husband, they have a couple of kids, well, you're not going to even be close to perfect.

1:15:45 So how do you just like minimize that stress? And how do you and basically how do you build the capacity to get away with as much as you can and like still enjoy yourself and still have fun and, and like do whatever you're into. Or I do like jiu jitsu, for example, I'm on and off with it. I'm not as consistent as I should be. I used to be super into it, but I'm not as much. That's beside the point. Like practice is Tuesdays and Thursdays at 7:00 PM at night now under fluorescent lighting in a gym.

1:16:10 And I mean, yes, it's really good exercise. Yes, I'm getting my heart rate up. So yes, there is like health benefits, but I just have a lot of fun doing it. And even though those two nights, it kind of like screws in my circadian rhythm, especially in the winter when it's like I get to practice and it's dark and I leave even it's still dark. Definitely not ideal, but I have fun doing that and I'm resilient enough where I can do that. And that's like the whole point of this. Like I would have issues if I was going to jitsu and I enjoy it and I can't do it because like I'm just like bad and healthy.

1:16:36 So I think like being in a state where you can do what you enjoy is like what this is all about for sure. Absolutely. Let's dive into the best times to eat for fat loss. Like, yeah, because, you know, again, people think don't actually understand that actually when you eat is probably like more important than the food that you eat and the impact on metabolism. So let's dive into that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I would say like basic rule of thumb, you just want, like I mentioned earlier, you want to eat when the sun is up.

1:17:04 But like you've mentioned and I mentioned before too, all your hormones, they run on a 24 hour clock. So if you have an idea of when the clock is most when, like if you're able to eat and in alignment with the clock of all these different hormones, you're just going to be so much better off and fat loss should be easier. And actually it's like a perfect question because I've been working my next book on weight loss and basically there's a couple like there's a lot of hormones obviously, but they all run on a 24 hour clock.

1:17:34 And if you going to figure out like which ones you think is the most important and which ones you can kind of optimize is going to make this so much easier and you're not going to be fighting in. So I guess we can start with, let's start with leptin because that's like the like that's the hormone, the Jack take. That's like the most important one. I don't even know if we can say like like I think they're all important, honestly. Like I don't think you can really say 1 is more important than the other.

1:17:56 I think they all have root value but leptin and a kind of like melatonin as well. So sleep is when you burn most of your fat off actually just to set the background. So it's why you're like, the reason why light and dark is so important is because it optimizes sleep. Like we know that people who get more lux during the day, they get more time outside, they just sleep better and you can kind of get away with more. So the brighter your days, the darker your nights, the better you're going to sleep is like a pretty good rule of thumb.

1:18:24 So leptin, we know it peaks about 3 to 4 hours after your last meal. And melatonin is pretty similar. Melatonin peaks like 3 or 4 hours after your last meal and also after like you need a certain amount of like 00 lux. You like pure darkness, melatonin to peak as well, but leptin is our satiety hormone. So obviously like the GOP has proved that what determines how much you eat, like how many calories you're taking in is just going to be like your hormones. Like if you're not hungry, you're just not going to hopefully.

1:18:53 I mean, there's like that emotional and the behavioral part of like energy intake as well. Or like me, I just love food. So I'm going to eat that. You know, if I'm like, if I'm in a restaurant and something is delicious, like it's not great, but I'm going to finish that meal. Like even though I'm not necessarily hungry just because I'm enjoying it, I'm definitely part or like the clean plate club for sure. So food is my weakness. But again, like that's time to go match the bucket. Like I should be able to enjoy what I want to enjoy and get away with it.

1:19:20 If you're eating like a good rule of thumb, you don't want to eat like 4 hours or closer before bed. In the summer it's more of a Gray area because let's like I go to bed. I go to bed like 9. Actually to backtrack, my bedtimes changed on the season 2 and just like everything should, I don't think anything should ever be stationary. So in the winter it's kind of crazy. I go like an old man, I'm asleep by like 8 or 8:30 just because the sun is like, what if sunsets at 4:30? Like what am I doing? You know what I mean?

1:19:48 So I go to bed way earlier and it was like at 7:30, my eyes are already like closing just because I run like the right protocol. But in the summer I go to bed like probably 2 hours later, like closer to like 839 thirty yes, I'm not going to fall asleep when the sun is still up. I mean, I think that's kind of like impossible anyways. But that would just be like, that'd be like the reverse. That's still like, not the correct thing to do in my opinion. The official community of the Fitness Wisdom Podcast is over on patreon.com/fitness Wisdom Podcast.

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1:20:38 I'm more, well, that being said, if I'm going to bed at 9:30, I'm probably not going to eat after like 530 or 6. Pretty good rule of thumb. But I'm also more OK with like, all right, like I have a dinner at 6:30 and I'm not going to eat till 7:30. Like I'm way more OK with that in the summer because the sun is still up and after dinner I'm going to walk back to my car and I'm still getting sunrise. So I think you have more leeway and you have more resilience in the summer, especially as far as food goes.

1:21:04 But you want to make sure like the leptin is peaking at the right times for sure, because that's a tidy. So that's extremely important. And so and the same thing with melatonin, like I said, you're burning fat off during the night. So optimizing that sleep is extremely important. And melatonin is obviously like the main thing that super important for sleep in terms of like the morning time. The reason why morning sunrise is so important is because of your thyroid. So I talked a lot about thyroid and I actually don't hear a lot of people, at least in the quantum space really talk about it a whole on, I think it's kind of underrated.

1:21:35 But the way I talked about thyroid is if you're seeing the morning sunrise, your hypothalamus, it also controls thyroid hormone. So if you're able to convert T4 and to T3, that speeds up your metabolism and you're going to be able to burn more fat off faster as well. So that's extremely important. And if you're not seeing that sunrise, then you're just your metabolism is probably going to be lagging a little bit. It's not going to be working as well as you should be. And if you're eating before sunrise, that's going to be an issue too because your body is just not primed for that food because you don't have the thyroid activated the way it should be.

1:22:08 And actually, I'm going to go on a side tangent because I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about this. I'm sure someone has, but I haven't heard about it. Like if you're not seeing the morning sunrise, instead of converting the T4 into T3, you're converting the T4 into reverse T3. And reverse T3 basically slows down your metabolism. It puts the brake on, if you will. So it's going to like it basically stops you from burning fat. So you really need that sunrise stimulus to do that as well because the reverse T 3 is inhibiting your metabolism basically.

1:22:39 And part of it, like if you look at a little bit deeper than that, I would argue that the reason why like other than like the light and everything is still tied together. It gets kind of convoluted. There's definitely the right thing to do and there's so many reasons why morning sunrise is important, but another one is sunrise makes your mitochondria work better. And one of the theories I have is the reason why we increase our reverse T3 is because your mitochondria are dysfunctional. It's kind of a very similar reason to why we become insulin resistant.

1:23:08 Your mitochondria are dysfunctional. So if your mitochondria are dysfunctional and they're not working as well, it probably means they're creating more reactive oxygen species which are going to further damage your mitochondria. So for example, you're increasing reverse T3 to not use your mitochondria as much or slowing metabolism is your metabolism or your mitochondria simply cannot handle all the food you're eating. So it's a protective mechanism and you're probably not sleeping as well. So like that melatonin is not repairing everything.

1:23:36 And same thing with insulin resistance. Like your insulin, you're actually most insulin sensitive in the morning after a good night's sleep and tons of research showing you don't sleep well, you're way more insulin resistant the next day. So if you're going to eat a bunch of carbs, for example, I'd recommend eating carbs early on day after sunrise because that's when you're going to be most insulin sensitive versus at night, you're most insulin resistant. So I'll go like lower carb again, it's all done under blue light in the lab.

1:24:00 So I'll say like, oh, it's summertime, it's 6:00 PM, sunrise is like at 8:30. I'm eating a little bit of carbs at night. Probably not a huge deal. I still got two more hours of daylight. There's still a red light everywhere, like mitochondria probably still working good. So there's a lot of like, like Jack says, like have truths basically like, yes, this is probably true, but only under certain circumstances versus like what if we change the whole environment? Everything's going to be different.

1:24:21 But the, I know this is Jack's theory for sure. But basically like insulin resistance is the same way. Like you become insulin resistant because your body, your mitochondria can't handle all that glucose. So like the way it works is glucose has to enter your cell to be turned into energy. But if your mitochondria are creating extra reactive oxygen species and damaging them even further, obviously they have survival mechanisms of well, because I read a really good book, it's called the Engine of Life.

1:24:47 And that's what your mitochondria is like. Like if you're dead or alive, the only difference is like if you're alive, you have energy and if you're dead, you don't have energy. Yes. So your mitochondria are just trying to save themselves and they become insulin resistant to prevent glucose energy from entering because I would damage them even further. And that's the way I look at the reverse T3 as well. Same thing they're going. It's slowing down your mitochondria and it's slowing how much energy you're using just to keep them safe.

1:25:12 And it's kind of like you can so like point being there, there's like a million different ways or reasons why sunrise so important, why light is important overall. And they all tie it together. And like me and you, we can kind of like nerd out about it. But I think like if you just be like, all right, like sunrise is important because it's good for my hormones and it sets my clock. So I'm going to go see the morning sunrise and get outside as much as possible during the day. So I can keep like setting the clock and helping my body figure out orientation time and space.

1:25:38 That'll probably be like a pretty good main take away. Fantastic. Yeah. This was such an important discussion, brother. Like foundational pretty much you know, to how and where and when you should be consuming your food. Then once you get like those right, then you should consider the quality of the food that you're eating and then you can further optimize your health even more to get away with doing the things that you enjoy and like. So thank you so much brother, for this discussion. I know you talk a lot about piezo electricity as well on your on your channel.

1:26:09 And I really, really love that subject and the fascial system. So you definitely have to come on for a Part 2 to talk about that. And yeah, yeah, I'm really, really passionate about that stuff. It's so, so awesome. I mean, it's mind blowing really. So where can people find you, connect with you and and buy your book? Yeah, for sure. So I'm most active on Instagram. I'm just quantum dot dietitian. If you also just search my name, Ethan Okunis, I'm the only Ethan Okunis in the world. So I'll immediately show up as well.

1:26:39 That's amazing. And then I'm sure you'll link it to the podcast too. But my website is just quantum dietitian.com and that's where you can find my book. I have an e-book on there for anywhere in the world. I'm currently getting paper books to ship in the US. And if you're outside of the US and you want a paper book, you can actually get on Amazon I believe. I think Amazon will basically ship to any country. I want to say, which is pretty cool by always request that people just try to buy for me directly to cut out Amazon.

1:27:09 Amazon takes most of the money and I get a lot of DMS actually saying like how can I get my book directly from you because I don't want to pay Amazon like way more than you would actually think. That's nice. And that way the benefit of buying for me is like the ebook is I plan on updating it like I already did the second edition of Quantum Nutrition. And as I do a third, which is there's so much like this is becoming a, like quantum biology is becoming a way bigger field of study. And I feel like if you go on pub Med, for example, you're seeing more and more papers on circadian rhythm every single day.

1:27:38 Like every, like you're learning like, oh, like they're like, even like a time you exercise, for example, is going to have way different impacts depending on what time. So as we learn more information about this stuff, I'm going to try to keep updating. I want it to be like a living, a living piece of art. Basically. I want like this to be like a almost like an encyclopedia of like everything quantum. That's kind of my idea. And that same thing with like the future book quantum weight loss. Like I want to like the ultimate like if you read this book and you do this, you will lose weight.

1:28:07 And the way I did that one is like, not that it's out yet, but it'll be like step one is light, Step 2 is darkness, Step 3 is time. So I kind of like I'm trying to like instead of going backwards, like I think my step step 10 is food or like step 9. But like everyone is like step one is food and Step 2 is exercise. We're like, those are the last ones for me because like he got to lay that foundation. And I think that'd be like the main take away for this whole podcast is you got to start with the foundation.

1:28:33 Like the like the analogy everyone uses like you, you just can't build a house. You got to build the foundation first for the house. We're also house just going to fall over. That's exactly what everyone does with weight loss. They just they don't build a foundation. They build a house in the house in this analogy, be like a calorie deficit and the house just always falls over. And then you got to do it all over again, build a new house, but no one ever builds that foundation. So they build a house 10 times and it falls over 10 times, but it's just going to keep happening over and over again.

1:28:58 Like the quote, like Insanity is the same thing. Like, is you doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. And that's what everyone is doing with the calorie deficit stuff. So yeah, I get, I always get sidetracked. But yeah. Quantum Dietitian on Instagram. Quantum dietitian.com is my website. You can e-mail me, you can send me DMS. I'm super like, I'll answer every single DM I get. Like, I kind of have fun doing this stuff, so yeah. Until you go like super popular, then you won't be able to keep up.

1:29:26 Trust me, brother. Like for me, it's like getting getting out of hands. Like at some point I feel like I need to get some personal assistant. I'm doing it as much as I can right now. You know, I'm being very generous with my time, like answering people. But I'm sure that people have noticed online that I only answer them at specific times because that means I'm just taking care of circadian rhythms. You know, I'm only like, answering them when I can, when I'm available, like when I'm, you know, outside.

1:29:50 So yeah, I'm like, just very diligent with my social media because it does have a detrimental impact on our biology, as you and me both know. So yeah, thank you for. Coming for life definitely, absolutely pleasure and. Looking forward to Part 2. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for. Having you guys enjoy the topics and guests I bring on the show. I would really appreciate it if you left me a five star review on Spotify and subscribe to Fitness Wisdom Podcast on YouTube as well. This helps us spread the knowledge and wisdom with the world.

1:30:12 Until next time.