Fertility Crisis Explained, Circadian Health & Maternal Wellness: Oxidative Stress, Thyroid Health, Breast Milk as a Circadian Signals | Infant Development & Vitamin D with Nikko Kennedy

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0:09 Nicole Kennedy, welcome back to the show. This is Part 2. By the way, guys, if you haven't listened to Part 1, We dived into all of the issues associated with our current environment in the world that we're living and its impacts on our biology and specifically to pregnant women while they're pregnant and also post as well. This also influences the father and basically anybody in your life. So definitely go and listen to that episode. And if you're living your life as it's given to you right now in this modern environment and world with all this technology and overstimulation that we are receiving, it's going to negatively impact your health on every single aspect, including birth, which as I think a very, very important subject because children are the people of tomorrow, right?

0:51 And we've got to make sure that we bring into the world strong and robust children. And the more hard time the mother has during pregnancy and after the words, the less resilient the child is. We see that all the time. And then they manifest all kinds of, you know, allergies and symptoms. They're like, sick all the time. And so the healthier the mother is by taking care of her environment as well with the father as well, we can get into that, you know, the role of the father in all of this because last time we didn't really dive into it that much.

1:19 The more you know, you are going to take care of your child. So welcome back to the show, Nico. Thank you for coming back. Thank you, Andreas. I'm excited to get into Part 2 and go into deeper detail and also spread out a little bit into the things we didn't have time to talk about last time. So welcome everyone who's here for Part 2, and thank you so much for coming and hearing these messages because we have so much that we can do for ourselves and for the people in our lives who are going through their birthing years.

1:46 Oh, I love it. Yeah. A message of empowerment, so important. Self ownership and responsibility. That's where it's at. We are providing you guys the information, the knowledge and the wisdom. And we're going to give you guys some practical tips as well. But it's up to you to actually apply them into your life, right? We can have all the information in the world, but if we don't apply it in our life, you know it's not going to make any difference. So let's dive straight into it. Last time we finished of our conversation talking about jaundice and and the thyroid as well, but let's start with jaundice first.

2:17 You were explaining to me how a lot of the issues that we are seeing with that is because of our environment and the modern approaches are maybe not the most desirable. What do you think causes jaundice in the first place? Yeah. So newborn babies, when they come out, they are going through a really, really big change. And that big change is having everything taken care of inside of the womb with the amniotic fluid and the, you know, all of the nutrition and, and timing signals and everything coming through the umbilical cord via the placenta and the MoMA.

2:50 And one of the things that we didn't talk about last time, but that I wanted to was thinking about that we talked about the light and how it programs mom circadian rhythm and that's communicated to the baby. But we didn't talk about the light that baby receives directly in the womb, which is really cool when a mom goes out and she has her big belly. And I talked with so many women who are like, I was just addicted to the sun while I was pregnant. I love nothing more than sending my pregnant belly.

3:14 And there, that makes perfect sense because the placenta is full of mitochondria. Baby's full of mitochondria. And the amniotic fluid is very reflective. So light actually penetrates our bodies. It's not actually dark in there. And so if you have the, you know, mama's sending her belly out out there, She's getting infrared light going all the way through her body, all the way deep into her bones, all the way through her baby, all the way through baby's bones. The UV light is kept out. Her skin Shields from the UV light.

3:45 So babies used to just, you know, especially if a mom is spending much time outside getting all of these lovely warm nourishing signals, all of these good timing signals to prepare for this really, really big change that happens when baby's born and suddenly they have to start breathing air. So anyone who's in this space has probably heard of the word redox, or at least the idea of oxidative stress, which reactive oxygen species right when we start breathing. That's a really big change that is a physiological increase in oxidative stress.

4:19 Not only that, but baby's immune system is going to be using more of the oxidative forces to protect it because its immune system is not fully mature yet. So there's several, a couple of those things coming in with the immune system and coming in with the breathing of air, causing all of this oxidative stress. So there has to be compensatory mechanisms in order to help baby not have problems because oxidative stress is going to, you know, if it goes too far can can hurt baby just like it hurts anyone else.

4:51 Yeah. So the body is really wise and has a really amazing mechanism to help protect babies. Guys, if you haven't already smashed that subscribe button and the like button, now back to the show. Actually has several #1 being colostrum is extremely high in melatonin especially if mom has a healthy circadian rhythm. So breastfeeding in those first days, being on top of mom is very regulating. So that skin to skin contact stayed on mom very, very, very important. And then the other is actually, if that all isn't working, then the body has another backup system.

5:28 And that backup system is actually bilirubin. Bilirubin is thought of as a toxin, but it's actually an ancient signaling molecule. So when you look at bilirubin levels in adults, we know it's associated with heart function, kidney function, all these different things. And when it's, you know, there's just so many things that we could say about bilirumin that it's actually a pair with glutathione. So glutathione is another one that people have probably heard of in this community of being a major antioxidant.

5:56 Glutathione is talked about as the mother of all antioxidants that can actually regenerate your dietary antioxidants when you eat them. So you can use it over and over again rather than it being a one and done. Like glutathione is amazing and it protects one set of cells and bilirubin protects the other. So one is protecting the fat soluble tissues and the other is protecting the water soluble elements of the body. So bilirubin is super powerful and when a baby is reuptaking jaundice, the most modern theory is that it's actually using that in order to grab the antioxidants from that process where the bilirubin is being reuptake.

6:33 So it goes, it's supposed to go out, but the the mainstream is just bilirubin is all bad is bad, bad, bad and we need to keep bilirubin down costs without understanding that the baby's body may be doing that for a reason. So if baby gets dehydrated, if baby is stressed, it's having a hard time and it's taken away from its Mama, right? And so it's lost that regulating force, then that's when its body is going to start reuptaking bilirubin. So in some places it's well over half of babies that are showing up with jaundice and then a certain number of those and it's amazing that the therapy is blue light, may give them blue light in isolated frequencies all day and night.

7:14 And so we're starting to like they're starting to do follow up studies on these babies that go through this light therapy and they're seeing that they have long term adverse outcomes statistically and that they can't tease out if it's from because it's correlated with the severity of the jaundice, also correlated with the severity of the treatment. And they can't really tease out fully, is it the treatment or is it the jaundice? And so the modern idea is that instead of trying to treat the bilirubin, which is a symptom, they should be treating the oxidative stress which is the cause.

7:47 So for that, there's grounded incubators would be a huge one, mom skin to skin with baby a huge 1. The breastfeeding, making sure that mom's not dehydrated so she's able to create adequate milk, making sure that the golden hour isn't disturbed so that breastfeeding is initiated. There's so much that can be done to keep that baby flowing with the milk so the baby's not getting constipated, so the baby's not stressed out, so that the mom's not stressed out for everyone to be able to stay calm. So this was one of my first big issues that when I found the research about oxidative stress and jaundice, and this was also part of what really inspired me as a whole.

8:26 I'm going to tell you a little story which is about the NICU, which is the neonatal intensive care unit where they administer this intensive phototherapy. And even the babies that don't get the phototherapy still get all of these heel prick tests, which are super painful for the babies. They cry. So they're like taking babies blood over and over and over to see if they need some therapy. If they do, then they're taking the baby away from mom. It's the most common reason for babies to be taken away from their mom after birth.

8:53 And they always say, well, baby's liver isn't mature. Well, why is baby's liver not mature? And the liver is a super circadian organ and the turnover of blood cells as regulated by the circadian rhythm. So a lot of the babies, they're not getting the right light through their mom and through their mom's circadian rhythm in birth. So and then as soon as they're born, if a baby, you know, most babies are born not with natural light around, right? Very few babies are born by candlelight and sunlight anymore.

9:22 Most of them are through these blue enriched LE DS and so their very first timing signal is often off of what is actually happening outdoors. So they might be like 8 hours or 12 hours off of what the actual time of day is. So their circadian rhythm is immediately messed up and that's what should be controlling the turnover of those red blood cells and the elimination. So circadian disruption, stressful birth, separation from mom, all of these things. So I made a course about it and that was the first course that I ever made online because I care so much about it.

9:56 I was like, too many heel prick tests, too many babies getting separated for moms, this isn't right and there's something we can do about it. Moms can prepare during their pregnancy to reduce their risk. And then the immediate I had a mom take my course and this is so amazing. She was like, I've been to your course over the weekend, had my baby on Monday. And this was a mom. She had had several babies previously and she had ABO incompatibility with her baby, which is a a blood, blood and compound capability, which is thought to make it more likely for babies to have jaundice.

10:27 And so so she had never had one of her babies not need phototherapy. She took my course over the weekend. She was somewhat preparing during pregnancy, but not, you know, she, she didn't know all of this stuff, did the protocol just for after pregnancy. She had a hospital birth and for the first time ever, they just sent her home and and her baby didn't need phototherapy. So she was so grateful and it's so excited to share her story in my upcoming book, which is going to be about newborn jaundice so that, you know, stay tuned for the announcement about it.

10:58 But this is definitely one of the issues I'm really passionate about because I want to welcome babies into their moms loving arms. I want it to be called, I want it them to be happy. It should be, you know, just an absolutely joyful occasion, not one that's riddled with stress and separation and fear. And so part of that is getting moms healthier at the point where they're giving birth and the other is changing the practices in the birth suite and then of course, into postpartum and so on. So there's like, you know, newborn jaundice in a really rapid fire bringing you through what the current paradigm is bilirubin bad.

11:33 Keep it down to the emerging paradigm, which is this is an oxidative stress issue. And so if we manage the oxidative stress, the bilirubin goes down naturally. Everybody knows about vitamin C, but have you ever heard about vitamin G? I'm talking about grounding. We know that oxygen is important for our survival, but what if I told you that grounding is just as foundational for our health? Your body is literally a battery and needs to be recharged every single day. Modern life depletes it. Fatigue, insomnia, brain fog and restlessness, These all sound like a charge deficiency to me.

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12:34 Thank you so much for that. So what I understood from what you. Said there is that actually a lot of the issues are arising from within the womb already from in the you know, as the baby is basically not even born yet and then it's manifesting, you know, as the baby's born. So can a mother taking care of her circadian rhythms and spending enough time in light also manifest this? You know, with their with their child too? Yeah. So when babies has jaundice, it's also associated with nutritional deficiencies, especially in the B vitamins.

13:09 And that's also very tied in with the circadian rhythm. I have a whole series about folate, folate, metabolism, methylation, and the nutritional circadian things happening. There might be more than we want to go into today's for in, you know, to be able to get to epigenetics and thyroid, but it will also come into then too because epigenetics, a lot of it is, you know, DNA methylation. To get those methyl groups, you have to have folate. Every woman is told she needs folic acid, but it's not actually folic acid that she needs.

13:38 That's a synthetic form. She actually needs real folate, which a lot of it should be coming from her gut and a lot of it is regulated by her circadian rhythm. So she has a disrupted circadian rhythm. It's going to be a lot more difficult. And pesticide contamination in water supplies is another really big issue. Really big problem. Some of the pesticides actually dock into the place where melatonin should be. So if those pesticides are in their melatonin can't get in. Wow. So there's crazy. Yeah.

14:06 There's so many, you know, issues that we face. So, you know, eating organic and avoiding pesticides, especially dairy pesticides, especially in water contamination, really, really important. And then vitamin D, I'm sure that you've had plenty of guests come on and talk about vitamin D and I probably don't need to hammer that home too much, but low vitamin D is absolutely associated with when mom has it with baby ending up with newborn jaundice afterwards as well, which, you know, low vitamin D is often a sign of that, you know, sunlight, sunlight deficiency.

14:40 And also like the magnesium is needed for all of those folate cycles to complete. And the so like if the low magnesium and then the low vitamin D and then the low like folate and then the methylation gets messed up and then the epigenetic signaling is not it, you know, you're the body doesn't know where in the world it is. So it's like, should I be doing summer things? Should I be doing winter things? Like am I supposed to be hoarding and storing? Or am I supposed to be like, you know what, Like, what am I supposed to be doing?

15:07 I'm getting all these mixed signals. So if the signals all get aligned, they can make into a more streamlined epigenetic fingerprint where the body is like, oh, OK, I know that it is summertime and we're building up for fall, and we should be eating sugars and we should be, you know, working hard and getting ready. Or if it's winter time, the body's like, oh, I'm going to conserve energy. I'm not going to spend too much right now. And we're going to be like, resting. And so the body is really, really wise when it has the information that it needs to be able to make those decisions rather than just thinking like, oh, it's just endless summer, which is what a lot of people think because it's just nonstop artificial light.

15:44 And, you know, central heating temperature never gets too hot, never too cold. It's just very steady. And then food is coming in. You know, most people are just eating a lot of Equatorial food. So yeah, there's a lot of, like, endless summer going on rather than the oscillation of summer to winter. So it should be like, you know, a rise and fall that's just kind of missing, but fairly easy to to restore that ends up feeling really good. That connects you with your local community, which helps you build and make friends, You know, going out to farmers markets, going to with a grocery store where it's the same clerk every time.

16:20 You know, these smaller producers that actually have these local foods that your body absorbs. And it's like, oh, now I know where I am and now I know what I should be doing right now rather than you're in Wisconsin and it's you're eating bananas and your body's like my light and what's in my belly. Just totally disconnected from your body. Really. It's all about reconnecting with your environment. And what was what you said that was very important about how your environment needs to align with the food that you're eating, but your food needs to also align with your environment.

16:56 So both of them together, because a lot of people are just giving their body all of these mismatched signals. And I don't think people can grasp the idea the fact that something that's available to you in the supermarket doesn't mean it's like the best thing for you. We just automatically read blogs online and hear on different podcasts and stuff about the benefits of something, right? And it doesn't matter like whether it's from locally or seasonal, we're just going to consume it anyway. And this comes, that doesn't necessarily not come with consequences.

17:29 These consequences may not show up immediately. I mean, it's compounding over time, right? The more you do something out of alignment, the faster it will manifest. And that comes in a variety of different ways where it's very hard for you to identify that it was that one thing that you were doing. And so it's so important for people to parents, mothers, people who are thinking of having children, it's very important to live in alignment with your current environment, wherever you're living and embracing the season, embracing the temperature, embracing the light, embracing the locality and the seasonality of the food.

18:04 And then you really appreciate every single season when it comes. You get to enjoy different things in terms of food. You get to enjoy the colors of the landscape, which is changing in your environment. There's so many beautiful things to appreciate about the change of seasons. It's just that we're not spending time outside enough to see the beauty in real time because nature, the way it's made is, is divine, right? But when we're stuck indoors, we just think we look outside the window and we're like, oh, it's like cold out there.

18:34 But if you were actually outside, you'd be like, take a few deep breaths and just embrace the environment. You're like, oh, it's like so beautiful out here. You know, it's so nice and crisp. It's so fresh. You know, there's like just so it's a different view, it's a different reality. So let's tie this all into the thyroid that we were talking about last time. Then you, you touched on a little bit about the epigenetics. So you, you mentioned last time how the thyroid basically when it gets cold, it's able to give signals to the to the DNA to change its function in a positive way.

19:06 Is that where we were going? Yeah, it is. Yeah. So the thyroid is so interesting. It is part of our endocrine system. They call it the butterfly shaped gland. And so if you go and read the first post, I put a little butterfly in there and like, oh, that's night. And I was thinking about it because it's like so exposed compared with, you know, like the ovaries are, are endocrine organs, but they're deep. And like in the, you know, usually the endocrine system as a whole is, is very, very protective, but the thyroid's not.

19:35 The thyroid is right here up front and center. Must be a reason. You know, when I first heard about the thyroid, Yeah, I didn't even know where it was or what it was. What I had heard was that we had, you know, oh, thyroid problems run in our family. That was my grandpa told me that. So he, you know, hit his side of the family was all Japanese in the US And so he's like, yeah, I eat 1/2 sheet of Nori every morning with breakfast so that I don't get thyroid issues. I was like, oh, that's interesting.

20:02 No, I was a kid. But later on when I grew up and I, you know, learned what the thyroid is and then it needs iodine and that it's, you know, right here in the front of the body. And then it's what's giving the time signals. And I was like, oh, he was, he was actually right. He was like, yeah, if you know, in our family, if we don't eat breakfast and we don't eat our seaweed, then. Metabolism is going to go haywire because the thyroid needs time timing signals. It is really into a huge part of the body's time keeping system.

20:31 So it is getting signals all the time right here in the front. So if it's hot out your thyroid nose, if it's infrared, if it's UV, if it's cold out your thyroid nose, what you're speaking and your emotional tambour also your thyroid nose because it's right here over the voice box. So it is absolutely a huge sensor that is then sending all of this information. And these days it seems like almost everyone knows someone or has been semi diagnosed or self diagnosed with a thyroid. And it's really interesting because it can, it can go both ways.

21:08 So in someone who has too much going on that they're overclocked, right? They're like, so, so driven forward into time, like their pace is just too fast and they burn through everything. Or the other person, they're running too slow and so everything is sluggish and they're not able to keep up, right. And so it really shows like the two different directions. But in both cases, the thing that's interesting about thyroid and the people I know that that do even more work than I do a thyroid, because usually I'll be like, oh, like here's like the basics of how it works.

21:40 But if you need a specialist, then you should go. And depending on who they are and what kind of support they need and if they are or are not yet on medication, I might refer them to a different provider. But the basics of it are that when you restore the actual signals from the environment that the thyroid is listening for, that the body can reign in either direction of either being overclocked or not ramped up enough with the thyroid because it's just needs that signal to know when and where it is on the planet.

22:11 And then once that is restored, then and especially and if it has all the precursors nutritionally that it needs to be able to do its work. And it especially needs UV light signaling at least for part of the year, because obviously in some parts of the year, there are times where there is no thyroid or there is no UV. And so that's the body's signal to slow down, really slow down in that time of year, right. I have people up there in Norway who asked me and they're like, and what do I do? There's no UV and was like, slow down, enjoy your infrared, take a sauna, rest.

22:46 What did what did the ancestors do up there? Do what they did. They were super healthy. You know, up there. They had, you know, those indigenous European people had large families. They had long lifespans before all of the, you know, industrialized, but now there's all that light and all that isolation. So if you're up there in Norway and you're blasting light all of the time and eating bananas all the time and stuff, then your body just is, it's confused, right? So that's why you see those like problems with, you know, that are common, more common further from the equator.

23:22 But it is, you know, if you just give the body the signals, take away some of the the confusing distracting signals, then the body will just rain it in and find that right midpoint. And then as the light comes up, it's winter. So I'm thinking of that right down here that we are getting really close where I live to UVB coming back. We don't lose UVA where I am here in Oregon, but we do lose UVB for a little while. So I'm excited for that to be coming back. And we'll definitely be out there, you know, feeling the sun and slowly building up my solar callus and getting out there and getting ready for summer.

23:57 So each season leads into the next and you may not be able to dive in 100%. You know, if it's winter and you're already low vitamin D and all of that, it can be a lot more difficult. So early spring is kind of the perfect time of year for those of us in the Northern Hemisphere, if you're new to this, to be jumping in, you can jump in anytime. It's just it's a slow incremental process to be able to tolerate the intensity of summer and the intensity of winter and the polarity there. So early, early spring is really the perfect time to get started.

24:32 There's, you know, any time is the perfect time, but this is a particularly easy time because it will be a gentle increase in the solar intensity. Based on my research, this is the best in the world. Here's why you need to know about Shilajit. Shilajit is a herbal mineral substance made from the decomposition of plants and bacteria. This process taking place over thousands of years. It's harvested from the Altai and the Himalayan mountains. Think of it as a hyper concentrated plant matter that is made by a Mother Nature over thousands of years.

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26:04 And so if you explain this to me a little bit, then would that regulate all of the other clocks in the other? You know, because every organ has its own clock, right? Right. And every cell has its own clock. So does that give the timing? And then is that what actually regulates metabolism, whether it's ramped up or slower? Is that how it works? Yeah, it's kind of a metabolic time keeper. So the endocrine system and the circadian system, so the circadian rhythm is has a lot of what they call time queue zeitgebbers.

26:38 So the first one that we always think about is light coming in through the eyes, ideally with all glasses. Like when I do, you know, if I'm want all of the light to come in, I take my glasses off so that the lights coming in that comes into the brain and the brain has what's called the central clock. And from there it sends out to all of the peripheral clocks. Peripheral clocks are in all over the body. And then we have the peripheral clocks, especially in the gut. And so like I like there's kind of there's a very strong like gut brain element to the circadian rhythm.

27:14 So the gut brain circadian rhythm, right? That's where where the metabolism is happening mediated between that. So that's where you could have your light environment perfect. But if you're eating all this mistime stuff, then you're getting these other signals that's not going to be right. Likewise, even if you're external environment, and this is really important for night, night shift people, if your external environment is crazy, but you're able to anchor your gut rhythm, you will have less trouble than if you let both go crazy.

27:51 So ideally both are In Sync. But if you only have control of one or the other, the body will still be able to kind of hobble along, but ideally it's all coming into sync. And so that's kind of where the thyroid, and This is why metabolic issues and reproductive issues are often going hand in hand that if someone has one, they often have the other as well because because they're just two different sides of the end. Like the endocrine system is doing reproduction and metabolism. So likely if it's having trouble, then it's the same like whether it, you know, whatever that source of disruption is, is going to be disrupting both of those systems at the same time.

28:30 So the epigenetic regulation through the thyroid is those thyroid hormones changing there so that there's like what the thyroid is releasing is hormonally and it goes into the blood and then across the body there to regulate all sorts of processes. There's so much going on with thyroid, and I think that's part of why everyone thinks of it is so complicated because it is so essential to the body's function overall. And when you read the literature about it, a lot of the studies, it kind of drives me crazy.

29:03 They'll be doing thyroid studies on animals who live indoors that are never exposed to UV light ever a single day in their entire lives. And then they're like extrapolating that out and being like, this is the direction that human research needs to go. And it really drives me crazy. So if I were to take off my, you know, bomb a baby doula hat for a second and put on my research hat at the Institute of Applied Quantum Biology, we are ready to bring a ground up layer to all of this information in a very evidence based way through a methodology that's called practice based research.

29:41 Practice based research means everyday clinicians, 3 day patients. Right now, most of the research that we have to understand any of these things is coming from less than 1% of practitioners, less than 1% of patients that are actually getting care, right. Where's the research coming from? A tiny little incy beansy segment that then is what's used to make the regulations for everybody else to follow. It doesn't make sense. So instead in practice based research, which is a huge initiative in the US that has been funded even at the governmental level, they identified, you know, the best place to understand how to improve Healthcare is in everyday healthcare practices.

30:24 So they're actually funding this now since 1999. And so we're doing that for quantum biology. We're like, we need everyday quantum biology practitioners and everyday people who are working with light based health. So you don't have to necessarily be like affiliated with our institution and our certification to be part of the the research program. And I'm building it from the ground up and we're currently getting ready for our pilot. So anyone who has clients, we have a certain amount reserved for primary care physicians and then we have a certain amount available for health coaches, midwives, doulas, like you know, anyone, anyone who's seeing people in this way, who's educating them about metabolic health and light based health and getting and haven't you know, if they're tracking outcomes and their client, whether they're qualitative outcomes, because that's a huge gap in the research is like if we want to get light based health rolled out into the birth suite, for example, mice, you know, my zone, we need to know what that's like qualitatively for people.

31:22 We need to know what the cost, you know, the cost analysis of that is going to be right. There's all these questions that are not does light influence labor? We know that it influences labor that is completely like we know that light influences health. There's no doubt about that. But there are questions about well, given that case, if we were to improve the lighting and and conditions, how would that affect patients? How would that affect providers? Will they actually do it? Does you know, all of these kinds of everyday care questions.

31:52 So working on all of that is really something I'm really passionate about because a lot of the the research, when you read it that's coming out of labs, that's like, he's just really not well thought through animal studies. It's great that they got us this far, but we're ready to move into a different era where we're looking at humans and especially understanding like what is what is optimally healthy for humans and studying that. Because likewise, most research, even human research is done on patients who have disrupted circadian rhythms because most people don't know about this.

32:24 So all we think of as normal timelines for disease progression, normal level of happiness for mental health, right? All of these things. They've assessed all of that in patients who actually have severe circadian disruption just from artificial light and indoor lifestyles and not knowing these things. So what if we did a lot of the research in the past on people who actually had stable, healthy circadian rhythms? Then that we could push a new baseline of human health? Your skin is not just a barrier, it's a living organ.

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34:00 But when I was actually living there because my partner Tina is from there, we lived there for a couple of years. Like no one really was happy. Everybody was like really miserable and depressed. Because if you know, the weather is always dark and you know, the especially in the winter time, you may get like 40 minutes of sunlight in the entire November or you know, some crazy things like this. And, you know, it's like, you know, I don't know where they get these numbers from because I feel like a lot of this information is very bought, you know, because they try to manipulate, if this is my personal view, right?

34:34 Putting my conspiracy hat on here, my tinfoil hat. But I'm just, I'm just thinking that, you know, they want to control where people live in the world and where they migrate to. So they want to make these more colder, more brutal countries, more appealing to people so they can go and live there because the economy there is great, right? But they don't want to ever say, for example, a place like Cyprus, where I currently live in Europe, which is super nice and sunny and it has sun most most of the year.

35:02 They're never going to like say something good about, you know, this place. So it just shows you like there is maybe some, you know, something going on under the surface here. Like how, how are they coming up with all of these these numbers and these and these things. Something that came to mind when you were talking? I was just thinking you were talking about the studies and you were talking about how you know, do we need to like prove you know whether something is good or not when we actually know that it is?

35:27 It's crazy to me how we have just created an environment which we know doesn't feel pleasant. You know, when you go to an airport, when you go to a supermarket, when you go to a gym, when you go to a hospital, it feels like the most brutal and cold and clinical place, you know, very like a laboratory source of and it doesn't feel welcoming or inviting at all. So how come that somebody who is giving birth or trying to get better, you know, if they have a problem and they are going in a hospital, how is that actually going to assist the individual, you know, at any level?

36:01 I mean, you just by going in there, you're automatically going to get stressed. When I think about going to the airport, it gives me anxiety just by thinking about it, you know, because you know, those places are just like insane. So much non-native electromagnetic fields, blue lights everywhere. Even though if you've got your blue blockers on, the lights are still so like blinding bright, right? And then there's that crazy flicker going on and off. It just feels like, OK, I just want to go and find my lounge, close my eyes, put my hoodie up and just survive until I managed to get out of this place.

36:33 And a lot of these places don't even have windows, you know, which is crazy. So they've turned them sorts of into into casinos. Anyway, I don't want us to go too much deep down this rabbit hole because we have so much still to cover. And I know that you may be limited on time. So I guess the next very important thing that would be important to address is why do you think that, you know, you see declining fertility rates all around the world and a lot of people are forcing, forcing pregnancy through.

37:03 This is how I see it, right? Forcing through doing IVF and and so on. Because I feel like, OK, if your body is not allowing you to have a child, I think you should listen to that signal. I'm not telling people what to do. I'm just, it's just my current belief and understanding that when you do, when you go against nature, you are just going against the, you know, God, you're going against the rules and laws of nature. And there is a reason why a mammal is not able to reproduce, right? And so why do you think fertility rates are declining around the world?

37:34 And what's your view on things like IVF and these kind of things? Yeah, some big questions here. So I'll start by saying that a lot of what we know about melatonin that I shared before about melatonin's role in fertility and all of that is thanks to IVF research where they found they needed to. Actually, I don't know if they implemented it, but they are talking about doing it that when they do the stuff that they do that they have to put melatonin in the solution the hand to, you know, help compensate for all of the oxidative stress because melatonin as an antioxidant.

38:12 So there is, you know, a lot of correlation there with low melatonin. I think I shared here maybe recently in another another one about how Pubert so melatonin across the lifespan changes. Melatonin is a reproductive hormone and it climbs in childhood. Puberty hits, melatonin starts to decline and it declines across the lifespan. Perimenopause, menopause tend to hit when overall melatonin reaches a particular threshold on that decline. So seeing earlier puberty and earlier menopause, right are like they're related and potentially related to early calcification of the pineal gland from lifestyles, circadian disruption, fluoride and all those all kinds of things calcify the pineal gland and then also not getting outdoors and all of that for all of the mitochondrial melatonin, right?

39:09 So we have like the pineal melatonin on the circadian rhythm and then we have the mitochondrial melatonin and both are suppressed by modern lifestyles. And then likewise having they just inverted the food pyramid in the US where it used to be saying carbohydrates first, protein after that, now they're saying, oh, protein needs to be first. And that is also hugely important because many of the amino acids are actually mega antioxidants. So you always hear about like blueberries and green tea being your antioxidant sources, but they don't tell you tryptophan and major antioxidant.

39:44 Wow. And tryptophan is what leads into serotonin and melatonin, which are also majorly antioxidant. And then likewise with like eating healthy fats and seafood, they don't tell you that seafood is a precursor to the endocannabinoid system. The endocannabinoid system is hugely involved in reproductive health as well as all other kinds of types of health and has major antioxidant roles as well. So they don't tell you that eating, you know, lots of seafood is going to be really good for your antioxidant system.

40:16 They'll tell you instead, like, you know, go eat blueberries and green tea. And I like. Not that blueberries and green tea aren't. Good, but they don't make the foundation of of a robust being that is ready to create a whole new human from within. So, and it's really interesting too that like, because I said the metabolic issues, the metabolic issues go along with infertility. And so like obesity is essentially a sign of the body starving. It's, it's actually a starvation syndrome where the, the fundamental nutrition is not needed.

40:51 And so the body never gets the signal to be satiated. Never is like, oh, this is enough. It's like constantly hoarding, constantly feeling like it's in survival threat. A lot of people live as though they're constantly feeling in survival threat. And so that can go 2 directions. Sometimes, you know, one person enters survival threat and their body is like, wrap up fertility. We need to have a baby. This may be there their only chance ever and other people are like, whoa, no way. I'm absolutely not getting fertile right.

41:17 Everything, everything is perfect, but their body doesn't have the safety to to carry that through part, you know, and there's a huge mysterious component to fertility always. So like for a baseline, like a really gentle way to improve fertility is like, if you're like get your diet locked in and get your circadian rhythm locked in. And then from there, if you're overweight, try losing a pound or two a month. If you're underweight, try gaining a pound or two a month. Because a lot of the fertility clients I see are at either spectrum of body weight, either carrying too much body fat or not carrying nearly enough.

41:56 And in either case, if the body doesn't have that foundation of the underlying, because, you know, you look at someone and then a lot of people, they're just like in the middle who maybe don't have like the gorgeous bikini Bay bod or whatever. Like those are the women who sometimes have trouble with fertility that don't expect it because they're like, what I like, everything's perfect. My BMI is perfect and I eat, I've been eating healthy and I'm doing everything. And then meanwhile, like someone who's carrying a bit more weight because it's, it's a big strain on the body.

42:24 So like that's, you know, some things that might be actionable or helpful. And there's also that element of, of mystery and there are huge, huge ethical concerns with regards so with regard to IVF and the other issue, which is surrogacy. And it gets really, really dark. You know, this makes me want to cry, honestly. They're they're talking about. So mitochondrial health is like the huge like a really, really important part of fertility. And so they have been experimenting with what they call mitochondrial transplant.

43:03 And the idea is, oh, this, you know, this mom's eggs has the mitochondria aren't healthy enough to sustain a pregnancy. So we will do mitochondrial transplant. But what they don't tell you is that they, and I don't know how this term exists, but they take what's called a donor embryo. It's kind of hard to talk about. So they take what they call a donor embryo, which I don't know how an embryo could be donated, but they extract the parents DNA out of that embryo so that there are just the mitochondria there and then they insert the DNA from the actual parents into it.

43:41 So I'm like, they're basically like killing one baby to put in the other. And then it's like a mismatch of like this other family's mitochondrial DNA with this family is very strange to me. And I, there's a lot of really big ethical concerns with regard to IVF research, the where it's all going. And then especially when it comes to surrogacy and having all these embryos like sitting on ice that like how we have like, you know, hundreds and hundreds and thousands, probably millions of embryos for which there are no wombs to ever birth these babies.

44:23 It's, it's all very, very strange. Very in in many cases, I think there's a lot of really severe ethical concerns that are not being talked about. Maybe some people are talking about him. And then, yeah, the idea of, you know, it going it, you know that the surrogate then hosting the baby, birthing the baby and then it being gone. And they don't really talk about the surrogate experience or what that's like to give birth and then not see that baby. Imagine spiking your blood sugar without eating cake.

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45:25 So if you want to protect your energy levels, sleep and biology from artificial blue light, head over to the description and you will find all of the links with a massive discount on my favorite blue light blocking glasses. Yeah. Yeah. For yeah, because they're the the DNA travels between. Yeah, exactly. Between baby and Mama and then likewise through breast, the breastfeeding too. Like they know that when a baby breastfeeds, it's got still kind of permeable. So that breast milk, especially cells from what what we think of as the immune system go into that baby and, and go into the baby cells.

46:06 And so they have looked at people who are, you know, in their 60s and they still have fully intact cells from their moms embedded in their organs. And then women have, you know, DNA from their children, from their Suns in their bodies after having that birth. So, you know, the human, humans are we're a lot more permeable to each other. We're a lot more of a unit. I was kind of thinking of like, you know, like if the Earth, if the Earth is like if the org, if the solar system is a cell and the Earth is an organelle in the solar system, right?

46:41 Like, because we're not independent from the sun, like no sun, no Earth, right? Like it's, it's part of us. And then you like all of us on the, on the Earth and we are one element and we're like one kind of cell inside of the organelle. That's this Earth, right? And when you get down to the quantum scale, it's so interesting because we think of electricity of something like you plug into the wall and it's like a river. But when you get to the quantum scale, every electron is unique. Every photon is unique.

47:12 It's all carrying information. So when we're getting light that's coming from, you know, distant galaxies, that's carrying information that it seems like our body can read. Like when you're looking at that, that DNA research, it's really interesting that it that because DNA constantly has electrons flowing through it, right at all times, mitochondria constantly flowing with electrons. They actually photographed quantum tunnelling inside of electrons recently, which is really, really cool because it's been something that like we've known that the math means that tunnelling has to be happening, but they've actually photographed it with DNA that's happening at all times.

47:49 The low of electrons where and then but it's rejecting certain electrons and they don't know why. So to us, we're like electricity, it's all the same. But our DNA is like, yes, I'll take this one. No, I won't take that one. And then likewise with our mitochondria. So when looking at like what are what are environmental inputs our bodies like saying yes or no? And when you look at a natural conception, when the sperm enters and is traveling towards the egg, the woman's body sends extracellular vesicles right down through the fluid and it finds and nurtures particular sperm and not others.

48:23 And they have no idea how it does this or why it's choosing some sperm and not others know when it gets to the egg. Likewise, they're all there, but which one actually gets ushered through? And that's also a process that's completely overridden when you're looking at, you know, taking the sperm, washing it, chopping his tail off. And you know, it's it's you know, that it's very like forcing of something that then loses, loses the magic, loses the mystery, loses the extremely complex nuance processes that are there.

49:00 And it also, I think so like, why is it happening? Like one reason it's happening is that they just have just culturally kind of gotten away from the family unit. And so young people are discouraged from having children.

49:17 And so a lot of the people who are choosing, you know, trying to start having families. And this was interesting. I talked with someone who raises horses recently, and they're like, oh, yeah, if a horse isn't bred within a certain number of years, we would never try to breed that horse, no matter how healthy and good she is because she's not a proven mother. And there's like a window of when you can prove that a horse is going to be a good breeder or not. So a lot of women are missing their early fertile window because they needed to go to college first.

49:47 Like they would never accept the first marriage proposal They got like no way they could do better. They, you know, oh, they're not ready. They need to go to college first. Oh, now I'm not ready. I need to go to career first. Oh, like, oh, we, we can't afford it because this or that. And so then they're coming into the time, then they're like, oh, well, this is my last chance. So even though conditions aren't perfect, we need to do it now. And then that's when a lot of the women discover that it doesn't happen as easily as they thought.

50:14 And then a lot of times, you know, I hear from women, they regret so much. They're like, how can this be happening? Like I got pregnant so easily and then I had an abortion and now I can't. And now, like, you know, the. And so they have like regret over earlier decisions that they made where like their body had been ready and they had mentally been not. And so they had like mentally created this disconnect. And now they're trying to reconnect the circuits. And it's difficult because there's so much experience and there's so much trauma and that people spend so much time on birth control and have been through having a lot of different partners.

50:51 When looking at like, how do you feel safe with someone? Like I heard this term of like serial monogamy, which is is really difficult when it comes to when you, you know, there's like the old idea that you, you know, you and your husband become one flesh. And when you have children, like you're both there. And then it's really beautiful and a really amazing miracle, a miraculous part of life that is something that biologically is, you know, kind of meant to happen a certain time. Like it's hard to keep young people away from each other.

51:24 It's been really hard to create this whole birth control culture. And then now we're seeing this other side of it where, you know, the other side of birth control culture is infertility and IVF. And again, looking to the pharmaceuticals, looking to the doctors, looking at it as a medical process, the medical process that can be started or stopped by, you know, paying money to this guy. There was another huge IVF scandal that has happened over and over and over in clinic after clinic of the IVF doctors using their own sperm for all of the women, regardless of who they're saying that the donors sperm is.

52:01 I don't know if you've heard about that one, but. No, I haven't. Wow. Look it up, there's a bunch of lawsuits going over. Oh my God. Yeah. So also that what I think about IVF, I've always kind of like. As a movement specialist and nutritionist, I honestly used to think that targeted fat loss was a scam until I discovered the Lipo Rap by New Shape. The Lipo Rap is a targeted red light therapy device. She's specifically designed to target stubborn body fat areas. Research suggests red and infrared wavelengths promote like policies, which is the liberation of fat from the fat cells into your bloodstream.

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53:04 Highest one so far I think is 90. That's that's crazy. But it's not just one. They've had the scandal at multiple, they've had the scandal at multiple clinics. So it's not just one doctor that was doing it. Others, others have done it it too. So the kids are like going and like finding each other. They found each other through like doing the 23andMe and they're like, oh, that's weird. I have a sibling here and here and here and here and here, and then eventually they put it together like, oh, we're all siblings because all of our moms went to this one IVF clinic back in the 80s.

53:34 Yeah, wow, that's crazy. But at the same time, it's so cool for the kids. You know, when they reunite, they realize they have a massive family. Like, how awesome? How awesome is that at the same time? Right. I'm sure, yeah. We went down so many rabbit holes. How much time do you have available left today on your hands? I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. I left. I left my schedule open this morning because yeah, last time we had so much time chatting that I wanted to make sure that I was good. So yeah, if you want to ask a few more questions and and go a little deeper down the rabbit hole, I am here for it.

54:13 OK, let's do it. Yeah, I want to get into breast milk as a circadian cue. I think that that's absolutely fascinating and mind blowing at the same time. So blow my mind. I'm ready. OK awesome. Yes, breast milk is a circadian cue, is one of the big time cues because little babies when they're born, as far as we can tell, they don't secrete melatonin. It's it's not detectable in their saliva, but they should be getting a significant amount of melatonin through mama's breast milk. So colostrum has the highest levels of melatonin because again, the colostrum and for anyone who doesn't know about colostrum, this is another thing that I'm really passionate about teaching because so many women think that they can't breastfeed because they don't know about the colostrum phase.

55:06 So like a lactation consultant will tell or a midwife will tell you this is liquid gold. It's so, so important for baby's health to get that initial early milk, which is just, it's not white milk. It's like sticky, it's different. It's orange. Matt colostrum is going to help them clear their guts for the first time. And it's also really, really high in melatonin and was super cool. They used to tell moms who had premature babies that they couldn't breastfeed and they would just bump on straight to formula, which turns out to not be true at all and to actually be a problem when moms have babies prematurely, their body compensates by putting even more melatonin in the breast milk.

55:48 So colostrum and then transition milk and then regular milk and they all and it's very time cute. So that's where it's really important to feed through the night because the middle of night is when the all of the melatonin is going to be flowing. Then in the morning, the it's going to have the daytime hormone. So we'll have the cortisol in it. And then I mentioned earlier the endocannabinoid system and why it's so important for moms to eat seafood. And like even doctors will be telling moms to do DHA supplementation.

56:17 It's always better to just eat seafood on a regular basis because then you get all of the proteins and the fats are all intact there. But the endocannabinoids fire up in the daytime too, which is really interesting. The suckling reflex fires up the baby's endocannabinoid system. So they think that's part of the the pleasure that baby gets in it. Then it also helps with getting their appetite going so that they're stimulated and want to eat. And then it also feels really good. So the anandamide and the other one, the two AG are the 2, the most well studied endocannabinoids that are in breast milk.

56:52 But it's so interesting to me because this endocannabinoid system, like I said, is so tied in with the circadian rhythm and it's so programmed in from very birth. We're supposed to be getting a lot of endocannabinoids from the breast milk. And so when I think about how like here in the USI don't know if it's been legalized where you are, but cannabis has been legalized here in Oregon. So it's everywhere. And there's people smoking marijuana all over the place and eating gummies and it's just all over the place.

57:21 And even even pregnant women are like, Oh yeah, that's how I get through the nausea in the first trimester is I eat or smoke. And to me, I'm just like the like, if that's your medicine, like that's a sign that your circadian rhythm is messed up and you need to go and exercise and eat some seafood. If that's working for you, that means that your endocannabinoid system is like off. And then it's also kind of like going back to like that so many people weren't actually breastfed. So, and so thinking about all of those like, you know, like stoners, it's like people will call them stoners.

58:01 And I'm always like, they're, it's like this kind of oral fixation they're like getting. And then when you see them and they're like all their eyes are all slitty and they just want to eat. And it's like, they're like big babies. Like reverting themselves back to the infant state with their use of cannabis, which for a particular healing crisis that makes sense. But again, similarly, like they use cannabis for cancer treatments. And it's like if cannabis works, then like what would sunlight and outdoor exercise and a high seafood diet do?

58:37 Like would that give the same results or maybe even better results as what is happening with the whole cannabis crane? Cannabis, of course, is much more monetizable than setting someone outside to get some sunlight. But to get back to the breastfeeding, they're like, there's a lot of it, you know, the ink, the traditional with breastfeeding, a lot of the times it would be like breastfeed outside. And it's really cool when you breastfeed outside. If there's UVB light, it shines on the Mama and, and it also has all this infrared light.

59:16 So the vitamin D level in her milk goes up way faster than than in her blood. So if you test her serum blood her, her, it takes a long time for that sunlight to hit her bloodstream. But if you test her milk, it goes up right away to prioritize getting that vitamin D to baby. Babies are also seem primed to be able to absorb UV light way faster. That zealous hair where they're all like, oh, that Peach fuzz is thought to absorb UV light like 200, 50 times faster than our normal hair. And normal hair is also a UV light antenna.

59:50 All of the melanin in it, right, is capturing light. So they always told you like, oh, it's just dead hair. It's just dead cells. You don't need it or whatever. You're like, oh, well, actually it's a repository of melanin. Yeah. So babies absorb that light really fast. And so they always will say like, oh, breast milk is is deficient in vitamin D. But when you look at normal populations, it's usually like 90% of vitamin D should come through the solar pathway and only 10% through dietary pathway.

1:00:18 And that kind of varies around the world in time of year. But they're like babies could potentially get their vitamin D needs met by like 30 minutes per week of time and afternoon sunlight. Like they absorb the light so fast, but then they want to get the babies vitamin D drops. And like it makes way more sense to encourage moms to just breastfeed outside because it's way more available. You don't have to take any pill. It's in its full natural form with all of the precursors and all of the other metabolites there, right?

1:00:47 You always like think about vitamin D in food. It always is going to come with all these other things. It's going to have like vitamin K, like vitamin A, the proteins and the fats, like all of the other things that are in there with the vitamin D, not just this one isolated part that we happen to have patents to be able to create in the lab. So there's a lot there with the vitamin D question. Oh, here's my baby. Well, going to get a visit from Arthur. Come here, a little guy. Hi. Hi, baby. This is my youngest boy.

1:01:22 His first podcast? Is this his first podcast? Far from it. Really. He's about 8 months now and so he's been a guest on quite a few podcasts and I teach also in my community. So at Brighter Days, Darker Nights, we have a membership there. I teach a couple times a month, he's often there. I also teach at the Institute of Applied Quantum Biology and inside of the Quantum Biology Collective membership, and I guest teach in other communities too. So if anyone who's listening to this has a community and they want me to come in and talk, I'll give a keynote or do a workshop or, you know, panel discussions.

1:02:01 I love all of that stuff. And yeah, we. So sometimes Arthur does have to come along for things. He's the youngest of 5 S actually, all my children have been on quite a few appearances with me. And it's just a little part of this strange work from home era. So that's one of the classes that I'm going to be teaching in. Brighter Days, Darker Nights is just sharing how managing Emfs with children, work from home schedules, screen time, the light, all of the elements that come with being an entrepreneur and being, you know, a podcaster.

1:02:37 I have my own podcast. I sometimes have guests on. So it could be fun to come and flip the tables on this sometime and have you come and share a bit more about your work and in the fitness world, could be really fun. And so we do those as live podcast recordings over on Sub Stack. So people can, if they are able to catch us live, they can actually put their questions in the chat. And that's been a lot of fun too. Yeah, all kinds of good things. And Yep, little baby chomping. Yep, he's teething, doing all the good baby things at this stage.

1:03:12 You're so natural, you're so designed to do these things like, you know, I just feel like everybody is put on this planet for a specific reason and you have found your purpose. And that's so amazing, you know, because you're you're sharing what you're passionate about and you're doing what you love. And I think, you know, especially your profession and what your teach is so, so important. And so many of us has a lot have lost this logical instinct to being a human being really, because we have disconnected ourselves from the environment and times have changed so much with, you know, families and things like this as well.

1:03:47 So we don't learn. We don't pass on so much of this knowledge and wisdom that was passed on for thousands of years. And now we're just asking the most basic questions, which we shouldn't really have to be asking. It's kind of like we should instinctively know. But you know, for example, you know, I'm sure mothers like Google online, you know how to breast milk, you know, breastfeed or something like this, you know? Yeah, I ran a big up recently where I asked all the women, you know, where did you learn?

1:04:20 How did you learn? And there were a good number who, like, I just figured it out. And others were like, oh, my mom or, oh, my friends or oh, I had a lactation consultant. It was all, you know, there was such a huge spread of all the different ways that we've been learned how to breastfeed. But yeah, you're right. You would think that so much of this would just be natural and instinctive. But there's a lot of issues. And one of the ones too, to get back to that older mom's question is that sometimes they have a hard time feeling kind of insecure because by their age, they feel like they should know these things already even more.

1:04:51 And so it can be a little bit easier for younger moms to ask for that help because they're like, oh, like, I'm a young, I'm a young mom. Like, show me the ways. Show me the ropes wise elder. But when a woman has already has Gray hair and wrinkles and has been a, you know, a dream professional has earned so much money, has so much esteem, has won awards. And then she has trouble conceiving and then she has trouble giving birth. And then she's showing up at the bomb circle And she is at the age where she could almost, you know, if she would have started in her 20s, like she could be a grandmother by now, but she's having her first baby.

1:05:26 That's another like part of the social issues around the way that we've structured our society that ties into everything with this information. And you know, there's, you know, a first time mom is a first time mom. And I always say that to you that even when you're having your 5th, I was, I've done consultations for women who are getting ready to have their 9th, 10th, 11th babies. And every single time it's fresh and there's always more to new. There's always more to learn, always more to know. Wow, wow, it's amazing.

1:05:55 Like that's almost like a full time job. Well, it basically is a full time job, right? You imagine if you have birth to so many children, you'll be raising them almost your entire life. But I guess as human beings, that's what we were, we were designed, you know, we were put here on this planet for that specific reason. But we have just, you know, gone away from the family, culture and and society to more independent, you know, just chasing things, you know, materialism. But we've kind of forgotten, you know, connection.

1:06:24 And I feel like that's that's so, so important because it's important for our biology as well. And what you mentioned there previously, before you were saying something about mothers, you know, not being able to give birth or conceive in general, and the relationship that they have with their mental chatter and then how they speak to their body internally and how that really impacts as I feel like so many people are focusing a lot of on the physical things, but no one is really focusing on the spiritual or the emotional aspect as well.

1:06:54 I feel like that's a really huge piece to the whole puzzle. One last thing I wanted to ask you was in relate in relation to the to the breast milk and the colostrum. When you said colostrum, I was thinking would it be, would it be good for me since you know you talked about the melatonin. I'm just thinking if I just take colostrum from a goat is that going to be high in melatonin too and endocannabinoids? Yeah, it would be. And I was actually just reading this really fascinating paper about the timing of milk and how we're getting all these mixed up signals from dairy because of not going from small dairies.

1:07:35 So like when I go to my friend and pick up a gallon or two of milk from her cows, she has it labeled, right? I have one in my kitchen right now. It says Janice on it. I'm like, this is Janice's morning milk. Morning milk has more of different things than the other milk, but in the commercial dairies, all the cow's milk from all the milkings gets all mixed up into these huge vats, and then that's distributed. And so the milk in the store doesn't have the timing signals that it would if it was from a smaller dairy.

1:08:13 Isn't that interesting? Well, that's like absolutely mind blowing. Seriously, because especially what you said how breast milk is, is a circadian cue. I never thought that drinking a milk from a cow that's been separated from the cow for a long period of time and sitting on the shelf, I wouldn't think that it would carry so much of these signals. But you know, as, as we've been talking this entire time, you know, the the circadian system is very sensitive and it's taking these subtle, not just an information from the environment.

1:08:46 So again, the food being a huge aspect to this. And I never thought about it in that way that would you say as well that for example, the time that an animal is killed or harvested or whatever, do you think that that would also influence you or is it just more on the milk side of things because it's more living, you would say, or more raw? That's an interesting question with regard to the yeah, to when it was harvested, because, yeah, it definitely is the case with plants and it definitely

1:09:22 probably is with animals. I don't know what the ideal time is. I know from my friends who are farmers that, you know, the butchering process can take all day. If you're not quick enough, you could still be out there working into the night, depending on what time of year it is. So I know that naturally there's a little bit more of a flow of when that is compared with the milk, particularly with all of the milk of the different animals getting all mixed up. So it's not just coming from one animal.

1:09:51 And so I think of that with like ground meats and sausages and mixed meats where it's mixed up from different animals. Whereas when you have a cut, like a, a cut that you can see that it all came from the same animal that that would have a more coherent signal inside of it than one that's all from all of these other ones all mixed up. So yeah, it is really interesting how it all fits in and, and the health of those animals too. I know that like, because you're, you're eating the mitochondria of the, the cow or chicken or whatever that you're eating.

1:10:29 And so I've also read about that, that they have a lot of the same problems with like deuterium overload because they're getting imported grain fed out of season rather than being out on grass. Likewise, they're not getting the amount of sunlight that they should be. A lot of some of the like the large commercial dairies, they're not getting sunlight, you know, spending their time in, in those milking rooms, like my friends who I get milk from, they all have semi outdoor milking rooms, right? It's not totally permeable because it's a super small farm and, and Oregon laws for that still.

1:11:05 So their animals are outside and they're, you know, while they're getting milked. And most of the time, even if they do have a barn to get protected from predators, then first thing in the morning, they're getting let out and spending most of their day outdoors, which isn't necessarily the case in these commercial areas. And so that's carried into the the imprint in the mitochondria, Andrea. So yeah, there's all of this, all of this health stuff applies to to the animals and and plants too that that is here.

1:11:33 Because likewise I've seen, you know, lettuce coming from Canada and it's January and I'm like Canadian lettuce in January. OK, That was grown in an indoor hydroponic situation. There's no real sunlight in this lettuce right here. 100% yeah. I think it's so crazy how we don't realize how much our food actually influences us. And then the way that you talked about it there about the mitochondria and the deuterium and, and in general about the lighting that the animals may receive or the, OR the plants, the, the way that if they receive light at all, how it's actually going to influence our biology.

1:12:13 Another great reason why we actually should be sourcing our things from us local and, you know, organic and just natural to our environment. Connect connecting with your local farmer because even if you buy local, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to be ideal, right? You still need to try and find like the thing that's actually grown in its real environment. And thankfully here in Cyprus, where I live, I feel like technology is so behind that they don't really like have so many of these indoor places.

1:12:44 Everything is like pretty much outside. So but then we have the issue here where things are always like running out of water. We always have these water shortages. So anyway, I just feel like these are all different forms of, of control for, you know, to control like our consumption of eating real food and eating more like processed food and love made food importance from other countries. There's so many rabbit holes that we can keep going down. And I don't want to like hold you any longer because I know that you might want to do something else with your day as well.

1:13:14 So I really appreciate you like coming on. Thank you so much for this conversation. Like it was absolutely mind blowing as always. And I would love to be on your podcast as well. That would be like so much fun, I'm sure. And so where can people like connect with you and find you and and work with you if they want to do so? I'll just come to my website, itsnicokennedy.com. That's Nikko for those who are just listening. And then yeah, from there you can find my sub stack. You can find my one to ones.

1:13:48 I have a couple classes up there. There's yeah, you can reach out to me. I'm working on my media and speaking page to get that while in line. You can also find me on YouTube if you wanted to just search Nico Kennedy podcast. So here are more interviews like this. But yeah, really my website is my main hub that you can find my socials and everything there. That's the best spot. That's amazing. Well, thank you so much, Nicole. And there was so many questions actually that I didn't get to ask you. So we definitely need to do a Part 3 in the future.

1:14:21 I really appreciate it that you did it on such a short time schedule. You know, again, booking the Part 2 for us because in the first one we kind of dove a little bit, you know, in it and now we went even deeper and and it was like absolutely amazing. And so the general idea for everybody listening and you know, hopefully has understood from these two parts is that use nature as your guide. You know, try not to go against nature. Don't work against nature. Observe what's happening in your environment.

1:14:47 If it's dark outside, it should be dark inside in your home, or at least there should be no artificial blue light after, after sunset, the lighting should be dim. It should be low down. These are just some basic, simple practices and tools that you can apply in your life. They have such a massive ROI return on investment by just simply changing your light bulbs. It's just absolutely crazy. So I don't see a reason why people shouldn't, you know, make the effort to do that. And as additionally, if you are working indoors, open your windows, take the time to go outside.

1:15:19 Simple things like this, eat, eat local, seasonal, organic, embrace the temperature of your environment, like Nico said, how that regulates your thyroid and your epigenetic expression of all your cells. And I can, I can imagine influencing your baby's cells as well. So yeah, the the practice, this is really, the application is actually super simple. It's just really nice to hear all of the underlying mechanisms that go on. Well, I'm really passionate about learning about all these things, so thank you for sharing all that.

1:15:49 But people don't really need to know actually how deep this goes. All you need to know is just, you know, connect with your environment. Just do it, you know, just be one with your environment. But I think it just reinforces and the understanding for people to really understand how deep and important this is, is that it's so foundational that it impacts basically health from every single angle and that there are foundational principles to health. You know, setting the circadian mechanism is really the foundation of our health and everything else can be then applied on top of that.

1:16:24 But if we don't address that, we'll never truly be healthy and neither will our children. So thank you Nico, and let's do it again for Part 3. All right. Sounds good. I look forward to. If you guys enjoy the topics and guests I bring on the show, I would really appreciate it if you left me a five star review on Spotify and subscribe to Fitness Wisdom Podcast on YouTube as well. This helps to spread the knowledge and wisdom with the world. Until next time.