Brooke McPoyle on Sound, Fascia, Breath & Electric Body | Healing Naturally through Sound, Hydration, Lymphatic System, Healthy Circulation, Oxygenation, Breathing Exercises | Musical Breathwork

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0:08 Hello and welcome back to another exciting episode of the Fitness Wisdom Podcast. Today we have a returning guest, Brooke Mcboyle. She's a fascial and breathwork expert, and she was also previously on the Fitness Wisdom Podcast on episode 21, so definitely make sure to go and listen to that one. In that episode we covered the connection between the breath, the brain waves, and also the fascial system and how all of those systems are basically intertwined and interconnected. And today we're going to be diving into another area which is also influencing the fascio system, which is sound.

0:40 And I, I've been doing a couple of episodes recently, which I haven't published yet, which will be published before yours on frequency medicine and different areas, you know, frequency that's altering the body, but not necessarily the fascio system or we didn't get into the fascio system. So I feel like because of your background and your musical expertise as well, because you sing and you're into music, I feel like you are the, the best person to bring on to talk about the connection between sound and the facial system.

1:10 So thank you for coming on today. It's a pleasure to have you back. I'm so happy to be here and your questions are marvelous. I'm so excited to get into the topic. Awesome. And before we actually dive into this very interesting topic, I would like to start off by saying this is something that's people are probably very interested to hear, right? And they also have this question in their mind is where does body actually go when we lose body fat? You know, I have been introduced to Rob Reuben Merman's work and he was a researcher that just asked what happened to the fat, Like where did it actually go?

1:42 How did it come out of the body? And most of us that look at the metabolic function just think that, you know, our cells break it down and then it, you know, comes out either through the kidneys or the skin or the colon, which was always my assumption. However, he broke down the molecule structure of what a carbohydrate is and how these carbohydrates are actually brought out of the body. So a carbohydrate is a carbon and a hydrogen atom put together these molecules that are linked together. And when we inhale, we inhale O2 and when we exhale, we exhale CO2.

2:17 So where does that extra carbon atom come from? It actually comes from the carbohydrates that we eat. So our detox pathways include the kidneys, the skin and the colon. And every cell within our body creates waste. It creates poop, right? And that poop is kind of sucked up into the lymphatics and there is in multiple ways that our body grabs things, packages them up so they're either water soluble, so it can come through our our skin glands and be sweated out or through the kidneys or through our colon.

2:49 But we actually exhale a lot of our fat. It is all about how we breathe in and how we breathe out in the efficiency of this respiratory process as well as the cleanliness in our lungs that help us not only move and perform good exercise by breathing great, but it's through our breath. And Reuben Merman has a fantastic Ted talk. I know that what what this sounds like is absolute blasphemy. Like how can the metabolic process include just our exhale for fat? But when you see how he breaks down, everything that we eat can basically fall into three different categories.

3:30 It's just how the molecules are rearranging itself. So all of the fats, all of the omegas and their chain of structure, it's just molecule chains lined up. Every food that we eat is just different molecule chains lined up. But it's all of a repeating sequence. And these repeating sequences, when we look at them for what they are, a lot of food is the same. Bad food and good food are all made of the same molecules. What's really important is that we intake the amount of minerals that we need. And if we don't have the minerals that we need, we end up with like weird scurvy or blind issues or our nerves don't have what they need to function.

4:05 But when we look at food in this molecule molecular process, we've just become a combustion engine for molecules in molecules out. And it's how good can we keep all of the filters that are part of these processes clean? And I think it's an excellent way for people to look at the redundancy in different diets. A lot of different diets work for people in different ways. And depending on what you're constantly consuming, just eating potatoes could be spectacular for you. You know, just doing carnivore diet could be spectacular for you.

4:39 And what I have found, and I'm sure a lot of fitness and Wellness experts who have done their fair share of dieting has understand that, you know, most diets have a pro and con to it. And then for anything short lived normally can RIP the body clean. You can clean out a pathway, you can update on minerals that you are out of. But after a period of time, the body sometimes just needs Whole Foods. It needs more of it. And what I find, Andres, is that we need less food, significantly less than we think, and we need more emptiness.

5:12 We actually need to feel hunger on a daily basis and createspace for that emptiness, for that the liver to clean out, for the skin glands to empty, you know, detoxing 4 * a year and to have it circle back into breath. Felt very validating getting into his research. And he is actually working with a scientist right now creating a toy it's built for. It's a magnetic toy for children to learn how molecules bond and unbond and how similar the patterns within the molecules are. His work is really interesting.

5:46 He's actually one of the few scientists that I think is entertaining as hell to watch. He brings out like balloons and replicates photosynthesis and like the sugar molecule is made of water and sunshine and how water and you know it hits the water molecules and then photosynthesis creates the sugar. And when we think of molecule build up from this chronological progression of sunlight and water and how it bring like changes into a sugar and then we ingest that sugar and then our body breaks that open to release certain things.

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7:20 Beautiful answer. And yeah, that definitely there is that symbiotic relationship between US and the environment. So I can assume then the way that we breathe then whether it's through the mouth or through the nose and also the rate of the breath can definitely alter the metabolism. What do you have something to add to that with in in contrast in in context to the metabolism changing based on how we breathe? Well, rule of thumb is, you know, breathe more, eat less and always breathe through the nose.

7:52 The nose is built for breathing, the mouth is built for eating. So the more that we nose breathe and we utilize the cilia fibers on the inside lining of the nose, the cleaner that the air that passes through is, the more humidified it is, the more pure it is, the more temperature regulated, it's easier on the immune system. So I would say if we're breathing for metabolism, it would just be about, you know, doing the mighty breath 10 minutes a day and that would allow the lungs to detox. So keeping your lungs clean would be more important.

8:27 Also learning how to diaphragmic breathe so that your lumbar part of your spine is being moved down because that's where we have giant lymph nodes. So every time we diaphragmatic breathe and everything drops down and there's a circulation within our lymph, there's also a circulation within our CSF. So learning how to properly breathe, keeping the lungs clean, learning how to expand your capacity so that your breath rate doesn't have to be elevated. It's not about breathing fast, it's about making each breath have greater capacity.

9:02 So if you have 5 cubic liters of capacity, if somebody's at a one minute breath hold, they're basically at 5 cubic liters. So if they trained their breath to have 10 cubic liters of capacity, because the world record holders are at 22, it's just a matter of training those muscles around the lungs to open. So somebody went from a 5 cubic litre breath lung field to a 10 cubic liter lung field. Each of their breaths is going to be more powerful and it's going to provide a better pump for all of the systems within the body.

9:33 So I would say if we were breathing for metabolic rate, it would be about detoxing the lungs and making the lungs have a greater capacity so that even while you're sleeping, there is more of an exchange happening instead of like short, frequent, you know, shallow breaths. So basically what you're saying is that all from my understanding is that if you're more of a shallow breather or your breaths are more small and rapid, that would mean that someone's metabolism potentially or metabolic rate could be lower versus somebody who has a better oxygenation due to the fact that they're taking deeper inhales, hitting the bottom of the lung, getting more oxygen into the system.

10:17 And therefore they're able to oxygenate the cells. Because we know that in the presence of oxygen, we have aerobic or we can we can have aerobic metabolism, right? That's what aerobic means, the presence of oxygen. And then anaerobic metabolism would be the absence of oxygen. So people who are are not able to utilize that oxygen are stuck more in this oxygen deprived state, right? And that is also putting their nervous system, I can imagine, on edge. That's funny. That kind of goes into the fascia because like oxygen is delivered through the blood, right?

10:49 So if the blood has a hard time circulating in areas and you're doing, you know, intense high interval training and you're building up plastic acid in a certain area, you know, is your body able to flush that out? So to me, training a a mighty breath increases all of these systems because they all need oxygen to function. And you know, swimmers, they're holding their breath and they're in an anaerobic space, right? So free divers are training how their body is utilizing oxygen in an anaerobic like state.

11:25 Exactly. You know, there's a, a culture that has, you know, reconfigured how their spleen works to make use of oxygen. So I think that would be like, it very much depends. But breathing deeply, keeping the lungs clean, expanding the capacity allows our body to, you know, do a lot of things. Well, it's going to influence our metabolism and but the the whole metabolic chain, I think people could be really inspired by looking at Reuben Merman's research because it kind of just puts a lid on it of it's about breathing well and eating less.

12:04 It kind of simplifies all the diet structure into making sure you're getting your minerals, you know, and don't eat too many things that are in the way of you having this exchange. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. I mean it absolutely makes sense. And also the, the type of food that we're eating as well as you mentioned is also going to influence our breath rate, right. So I can imagine therefore ingesting a lot of food, especially more than our body needs, where I can imagine that it's going to influence our breath rate in a negative way, meaning that, well, not necessarily negatively, but it's just more of as a normal response by the body, as a compensation response.

12:42 It starts to breathe heavier and quicker, You know, don't you also feel the same that if you've overeaten, you have like a higher heart rate, your breathing rate is a little bit altered. So your metabolism sort of is changing, right? I think that the system is trying to speed up or something to try and process all of that food. But when we have more of an emptiness like you're describing, we're feeling that hunger. Now we're able to tap into those 4 breaths per minute. We're able to tap into those gamma brain waves, we're able to really channel that chi around the body, right?

13:14 We're able to control the energy within our system in in contrast to when we have overeaten food. Yeah, well, think about that stomach being right below the diaphragm. So if we've eaten an uncomfortable amount, there's actually like a swelling that happens and then the diaphragm doesn't want to come down because the stomachs within its. I call it the dishwashing process, you know, So when we eat food, you know, it it, it goes down the esophagus after we masticate it and then the sphincters open and then food drops in.

13:44 And then if we were to just say stop eating, our body has the chance to close it off and then go through this process where it's releasing bile and moving around and breathing well, encourages this process to happen. So diaphragmic really breathing helps the digestive process, including how things are moving through the intestines. I find it very interesting when people start breath training how often they're bloating and their intestinal issues go away because they have recreated that massage like motion.

14:14 But let's say if you know, we're done eating and then 20 minutes later we start to eat dessert, you know, this whole digestion process has to stop. Then the sphincters have to open and then more food is pulled in. So if somebody loves to eat and drink at the same time, like I'm imagining like a four hour Italian dinner, you know, you have appetizers and then you have wine, then you eat food and then you have some dessert after you have some more wine. The stomach is severely taxed with those kind of long winded meals because it never gets a chance to finish its digestive process.

14:47 So you start drinking wine and then you have an appetizer and then you're like, OK, I'm not going to eat for 30 minutes. So this process closes up and it starts and then you eat again and then it's like, oh, wait, we're not done eating. So it has to stop this process, open the sphincter back up, then you pour more food in and then it closes back up and then it restarts that process. Then you add more food 20 minutes later. And I think the people that struggle with digestive process, sometimes we just have to look at the frequency of eating and how many meals we eat.

15:15 And I grew up in the 90s and they just said, you know, six small meals a day is better. And after all of the research I've done on on fasting and you in the immune system living inside of the intestine. So every time we eat, our immune system basically has to reroute what it's focused on and then pay attention to all of the new molecules you just added in case there's poison or in case there's something, it has to be able to be free to respond. So just learning how to eat like a little faster and a little more efficiently with, you know, nutrient dense foods where you give your body time to digest.

15:52 And then even not drinking fluids while you eat influences how effective that bile is working in your stomach. So every time you drink water while you're eating a meal, it dilutes that bile and it has to release more. So if you're eating a steak and water, you know, your body, you're diluting the bile that your body needs for that steak, and it's going to have to make it more powerful in there. So by looking at the body mechanically like a machine, and we say, OK, every time we eat, all of these processes have to happen.

16:24 And, you know, our energy now can't be used on our immune system. It has to refocus. And then we realize, oh, some foods are so easily digestible because they're ancient. They're, you know, if we just eat grapes, grapes only like not mixed with anything else, our body can almost push it through the stomach within 20 minutes because it's like, I know what this is. It's not confused with a bunch of other molecules, which is why like mono meals, like so eating once a day has crazy advantages for our immune system, for our liver health, for our growth hormone.

16:57 But then eating a meal with only one thing, like mono fruit, like only eating a bat, like a bunch of bananas are only eating oranges. You give your stomach the ability to go, oh, we only have this. I know exactly what, like how much bile to make and your system knows exactly what's to do. It's like working on a conveyor belt. So these simple little glitches of understanding our Physiology, I think we're major breakthroughs to how I treat my body and love on my body. And the way that you're saying it, you're like, yes, I am with you 100%.

17:29 Oh yeah, yeah, I'm loving everything that you're saying because I've been doing also an experiment lately. You know, I I'm sure you've seen it on social media. Yeah, the sugar diet has become like a crazy trend right now. And everybody is just eating basically only sugar and they're cutting out all of the fats and and the proteins. And I feel like this is actually a really positive thing because we went at the beginning, a while ago, we went in the opposite direction when everybody was going carnivore in keto and everybody was fearing carbohydrates.

17:58 So I feel like this is such a big game changer to show people that you actually don't get fat by eating carbohydrates, especially when you are controlling for your caloric intake as well in the day. And I was doing an experiment by eating, you know, the same amount of energy that I would on a balanced diet. I just only ate fruits. I didn't eat sugars, even though it's called the sugar diet, right? But I just only ate fruits and honey. And yeah, I just basically started losing body fat even even though it was the exact same amount of calories.

18:28 And I, I believe it to be so that your body is just seeing that, oh, it's just these simple fruits and sugars that are coming in. I'm having an easy time in the digestion process. I can focus now on, you know, increasing my metabolic rate or there's other reasons as well. Why increases the metabolism because there is a lack of protein. So your body is searching for the protein within the carbohydrate rich foods. So it up regulates metabolism to try and burn through the fuel faster. So you can basically eat more calories while basically losing body fat.

19:00 So there, as you're saying, there are some insane advantages to keeping it simple. And as the same thing as well can happen if you eat only fat, you can enter like a deep, you know, ketogenic state and that has also many incredible benefits too. And because you're keeping it super simple, you're just eating only fat. But it just seems to be so that the body loves to go through these periods where we're giving it time to reset, right? And then with and then again, we go back to a more balanced approach.

19:26 I feel like these extreme approaches of eating one specific type of food is good for like a reset period, but they shouldn't be done for prolonged periods of time just because it can lead to mineral imbalances and, you know, nutrient deficiencies and things like that. But everything that you said was like absolutely spot on. I think now it would be good if we moved into the fascial system in the other direction, right? Because we have so much to talk about when it comes to the relationship between sound and the fascia.

19:55 Why? Why is the fascia important to understand? I know you already talked about it a little bit or quite a lot on our previous conversation, but I think it would be good to address why the fascio system is important to understand for our health. So the fascia system is a triple Helix collagen fiber network that holds everything in place. So all of our nerves, muscles, bones, joints, lymphatic system, they're all held in a sponge like collagen that wraps all of what we are. And as an athlete, my story with fascia is kind of different because I think, like, you know, there's 28 different methods out there for fascia release.

20:35 And a lot of approaches came from, you know, either a massage therapist or a researcher fixing their own problem. And I think that a lot of us have derived our solutions based on the problem that we focused on. So the problem that I was focused on as an athlete was that I had sustained 3 significant injuries on my right leg and not on my left. And I went through the standard protocol that every athlete is given every elite tournament professional out there. And as I trained with over these, you know, 3 areas of pretty severe scar tissue and what I would call a true fascia adhesion where bands had because they were sliced to get like they were sliced at the same time, they had healed in a coagulated way, like a knot.

21:20 And there's currently no method to get that out other than just, you know, Rolfing would find the spots with your fingers and then RIP it open. And in that ripping and shredding, you know, there's bruising, there's tearing, there's shearing, there's inflammation, and you certainly can't train on it. So I wanted a very specific way to release the fascia adhesions, the restrictions and the densifications in a way that allowed the tissue to rebound back. And what I looked at in the fascia that was a little bit different than how other people look at it is these major structural bands.

21:56 There's eight major bands that are braided together. Fascia. So everything in our body is being held in place by fascia. And in some areas it's very thin, like our cheek, like we could blow our cheeks out and put them together. But our planter fascia, the thing that holds your arch in place on your feet, that's a very dense version of fascia. And it's imagine if these little hoses, these little tiny nano tubules that make up our fascia stitch themselves together. And the way that I often describe it is if we have one straw, it's very bendable.

22:31 We can kind of cut it in half, right, and break it and bend it. But if we have 50 straws together, very difficult to move those around. That's like these major structural fascia bands, and we have 8 of them. And I like to look at it like a harp. You know, the body is standing because of these eight major bands. And the balance and the symmetry between these major bands are going to control our joints. So if we think of a runner who's run the same number of marathons on both knees, but one knee is aged very differently than the other, why does that happen?

23:10 You know, is it our our walking gait on that side is thrown off? Are we using our toes differently? Is it you? Did we have injuries down those major structural bands that are holding tension so that every time you run, the knees are just a little unbalanced, the hips are a little unbalanced. So my look at fascia as an athlete is if I want to run, jump and recover well, I need to keep my major structural fascia bands symmetrical, balanced and fluid. There's a lot more that can be done in the fascia.

23:46 And, you know, if somebody has severe surgeries, there's different ways that we would handle that. Like there's a little machine now that I love promoting because it rehabs where the nerves are no longer firing. But if I'm an athlete, I want to make sure that these major structural fascia bands are not tight on one side ready to break. I want to make sure that they're both, you know, the tension is the same. So I built a, a system that helps people map out their own fascia without a therapist. And it just requires a ball.

24:18 And we use pressure, a very specific sequence to identify where the restrictions are within the fascia. And then we have a little vocabulary. It's just 5 words. And we identify what the highest priority is. Because if a therapist comes and leans into our body and it's like, oh, it's tight here. Oh, it's tight here, that's great. But for you, you can feel so much deeper into your body and you can tell, is it tight or is it radiating when you hit that spot, do you feel it in your knee or your hip?

24:49 Does it feel electrical? You know, is there a little bit of a like a live wire feeling inside of it? Because that's going to be the highest priority. A therapist can't feel that for you. So a lot of my process is about building the awareness of how to increase the hyaluronic acid within the body. That's been my method of restoring the fascia is instead of hyper focusing on the densifications, it's more of getting a read of where the tension is. And then how do we create more of this fluid that the fascia needs to glide within the system.

25:27 And then we allow that more fluid, that more feeling for things to fall back into place. So even in my system, you can't train every day. It's maximum five days a week because it's two. It changes their structure so fast that you have to kind of let the body catch up and wow, depending on what's created the densification there, you know, there needs to be a conversation internally with yourself of is it my chronic posture? You know, do you have a build up on your upper hamstrings because you're sitting down 8 hours a day and you need to get a stand up desk or you need to, you know, get up and do some squats every 45 minutes and do the lateral ones so that you're stretching out the inner thigh.

26:11 You know, are you crossing your legs? Like I have women that are like, why do I have an adhesion on my inner thigh on this leg but not the other one? And then they realize like, Oh my goodness, I cross my leg with my left leg over my right all of the time. So there's lots of chronic posture, chronic train training, bad shoes that can lead to really debilitating fascia issues. But the body wants to heal. So when we give the body what it needs in order to remake the juice that goes around the fascia, we can, we can pull it back into place without the shockingness of ripping, bruising and shearing, which is as an athlete, what I'm looking for.

26:55 I want something that, you know, it's a good maintenance, you know, it doesn't cost me 200 bucks every time I want to do it. Something that it can keep me, you know, spring loaded, that can keep my knees and my hips aging at the same rate and keep this fluid going. And that fluid, hyaluronic acid is actually called the anti aging serum. It's often added to skin care solutions. But we know that there's a cell hidden within the deep fascia that actually creates this fluid. So if we do the right things, we can actually ask this cell to remake all the hyaluronic acid that we need.

27:31 It doesn't need to be supplemented. It doesn't need to, you know, be applied topically. We need to just work with the systems within the body to activate it. And do you think the activation comes about due to pressure like on the facial system or movement or vibration like how what do you think activates that cell to produce the hyaluronic acid? That's such a good question to me. There's an 8 rule process that that works and I have a four hour course built for it. So it's a little hard to, you know, give it in a rendition here.

28:08 But the cell is within the deep fascia. So anything that's only treating the the upper levels isn't going to work for it. If we're dehydrated, by the way, it's not going to work. So these cells need certain conditions. I would say it's a mixture of deep palpation of time under tension in a very specific spot, you know what I mean? So like these cells will not activate if you just can't keep rolling over it. It needs like a very specific compression on top of it. And also you need to activate the hyaluronic acid where it's needed most.

28:42 So it's not just like, oh, activate it, oh, activate it, oh, activate it. It's, it's like, well, where, where, where can we make it most useful? But hydration and good hydration is definitely step one. But another way to get it to move easy is a sauna, sweating, steam room. Anytime we're sweating and generating that fluid movement from inside of the body, we're moving hyaluronic acid around even a foot salt bath and putting our feet inside of super hot water and then letting our body release that way.

29:17 So sweating is going to move that hyaluronic acid being our tears are made of mostly hyaluronic acid. So when we're crying, I like to think of it as our brain is moving things around and in order to move it around, it has to like kind of purge the fluid, so. If you think. Of, you know, someone passes away or a breakup and you know that expunging of tears when someone dies, we have to move them from short term memory to long term memory and it requires a ton of of neuron changes. So it's, it's fun to think of of that.

29:50 Also having sex, honestly the, the fluid that comes out of us is hyaluronic acid mixed with things. The same with our saliva. So anytime we're doing stuff that's going to activate that fluid build up, we're we're moving fluids around. To me, we're not dealing with a huge issue of hyaluronic acid within this area, that torso of the body, because there's so many organs that our body has to situate. It's more in our hands and our feet. Bringing the hyaluronic acid back down through the extremities is where I see the degeneration happening.

30:24 So there's a lot we can tell about somebody's health just by looking at the knees down. The condition of the skin, is it hydrated? Is it ashy? Are the, are the veins really tense and kind of popping out of the skin because the calf is so tight or the shins are so tight? Are the feet completely offline and kind of, you know, not muscly? There's no muscles in the foot. The toes are weak, there's no dexterity. There's not a lot of feeling that's going to show me that there's issues, but the hyaluronic acid flow in that area and it might be great for them from the hips up, you know?

30:57 So you mentioned a lot of things there that could be actually helpful. So what do you think, What kind of things do you think would be detrimental to this higher hyaluronic acid? What would reduce its amount or what would stop its production? I can imagine they're sitting, you know, everything that you said, like the opposite of that. So like, sitting a lot would be detrimental for that. What else would be harmful? For that great question, being very dehydrated, drinking only purified water from plastic, those things have a lot of particles in them.

31:34 So anytime we're drinking very low quality water, we're going to have a tax or sugary sodas, you know, so anytime that fluid is going to be inundated with things that are going to create an inflammation spike, it's going to create an issue. Someone who just lives on coffee, you know, I love coffee, but it's very important that we have, you know, good minerals, you know, and good, good water in the system. And it the, the way that I like to tell people because I have so many uncles that are like addicted to either beer or addicted to soda.

32:06 And I recently interviewed Doctor Richard Nahas, who started really cool functional medicine doctor that started a flagship water company called Vicus. And I just loved what he said about I'm like, how do I get my uncles who drink soda to freaking stop drinking soda? And he's like, get these pH water strips And on your second pee of the morning, pee on one of these strips and then look at your pH. Because if we're running acid forming blood, you know, through the system constantly, we're going to have some form of like nerve issue develop.

32:46 We're going to have some form of stagnation develop within the fascia. And it could, you know, I was telling one of my uncle's, I'm like, listen, you know, pee on this strip, go pee for three seconds, then put the strip in your urine stream. And then I want you to have neutral or better for 30 days. And it's going to be, you know, like his own little personal challenge. The nobody else has to yell at him, which I think is just an awesome thing as a coach to have something else that yells at them on a daily basis instead of you.

33:15 It's honest. So it's learning. Yeah. And it's like, like, I shouldn't care about it more than you. Like, you should care about, you know, the fluid that's running through your blood every time we pee, people don't realize, like, urine comes from our blood system. So it's like it's, it's our urine is a really good idea of how our blood is functioning. And so like a heavy duty dehydrated, anything that's going to tax the kidneys really hard is probably going to injure the fascia pretty good because it's it relies on hydration through these systems.

33:51 Also another thing that I think is really overlooked is like truck drivers, they sit for like 10-12 hours a day and in the sitting posture, even if you breathe good, even if you're breathing diaphragmically, we are kinking the hoses of the fascia at the same spaces. So like let's pretend this was a very short persons leg, right? And this is like the knee area, and we just keep it bent this whole time. And then we create this kind of stagnant pressure on the bottom here. The nanotubules that are being crushed by this, there's going to be a little bit of a pooling of fluids.

34:24 So the way that I like to think of the fascia is it's all about flow. And you can have damaging flow and you can have good flow, but flow is better than stagnation, you know? So yes, when we think of the flow getting stuck here for 12 hours a day at the low part of the hamstring and we don't do anything about it, what's going to happen is that same pooling that I'm talking about here is also happening inside of the pelvic floor. So there's a lot of issues around men's prostate. And to me, we sweep a lot of issues under the rug by saying, oh, it's sciatica.

35:03 Oh, it's prostate issues. And it's like, is it just stagnation of fluids? Because inside of our fascia is an electrostatic fluid that's moving like magnets. So it's the, the way that it moves through our body is electrical. If there's a propelling network from negative to negative that repels it through, it's not just like water, like a stream of water. It's more plasmatic like this. And so we need a good breath to make it move. We also may need a little bit of palpation or sweating because it congeals.

35:37 You see how this is just kind of like stuck on the bottom and then I'm like moving it around. So sitting for 12 hours a day, I'm like these truck drivers I really think should be acknowledged as you know, you're creating stagnation within certain areas of the body constantly and generate a way to deeply move The fluids that you're going to make stuck there is going to be essential for them to have good long term health in those areas, good fascia health in those areas. Another thing that I think would lead to debilitated fascia is staying in shoes that crush your toes together.

36:14 You can do a lot of things, right If the toes go offline because we walk on our feet, there is a chain reaction that happens through the structural bands up through the body. So training barefoot I think is just a huge win for, you know, a new way to get our feet back online, to get the the charge back into the base of our feet and increase that bone density. There's just so many beautiful things that happen when we take our shoes off and train. If there was 1 substance that could increase your energy levels, optimize mitochondrial function, boost ATP production, help to optimize your hormones, re mineralize the body with ionic minerals, boost cognitive function, assist detoxification and support your gut health via the microbiome.

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37:53 And how would an unhealthy fascia feel like? How would one identify that their fascia system is healthy or not? You mentioned flow already, right? But maybe you could give a few more adjectives or a description of how it would feel like. You asked such good questions. I would again come back to the sponge example. And I would say like if I were to drink, I haven't drank it so long, but I remember being hungover the last time and feeling so dry and stiff. And that is a sign of a fascia issue. And you know, you can get rid of the dry stiffness with a good day of hydration, but if you go and train on top of that dry stiffness that makes you more injury prone, you know, that can kind of lead to deeper damage within the body.

38:40 So I would say that tight fascia, you know, tense fascia looks like toes that are offline. You don't have the same mobile dexterity on on both feet. So like the pinky may be stuck on one side compared to the other. That's going to lead to kind of asymmetrical joint issues down the line. I would also say that that feeling of tight and soreness, taking a really long time to recover between workouts is another issue. Not being able to sweat well. So having your, that feeling of stagnant water in the system, see a lot of hairdressers, a lot of women who don't sweat hard enough, they might go and they like get a little movement in, but they're not ever drenched.

39:23 Being drenched in sweat is really, really good for our fascia. Even if you're just sitting in a sauna or a hot bath, you don't particularly need to have a high heart rate to get that fluid out. But I mean, if I just drank water and coffee and never sweat, I'm going to have stagnant water build up in my feet and in my hands. And that's going to lead to like that inflamed kind of chronically, like tight, but not dry stiff. It's going to just be kind of like a bloated and a big discomfort. That would be a sign that there is a flow issue within the body.

40:01 When I started to repair my fascia, I remember just being like, I feel like a kid. I'm spring loaded. Like my jump got my, my vertical got way higher. I was able to take a fall and like have kind of like no issue with it. I remember the first time that I stepped off a curb and heels after I had been training and I almost ate it and somehow my ankle recovered and I looked at my friend and I'm like, without fascia fly, I would have just broke my foot because it was just like so clumsy. But because I had trained my structural fascia bands to be more like a rubber band instead of like less like a dry stiff rubber band.

40:44 It was just like a fluid rubber band. I just kind of bent and recovered. There was number no inflammation and it was a night ruiner ankle twist and I was fine. So I think like that's been the most unbelievable part about training. It is like the little aches and pains go away. My hip click for 30 years went away. The ability to recover faster I think has been like the most interesting because you can train harder. When you recover faster, you can kind of hit that edge more intensely and then, you know, trust that in two days, as long as my eating and sleep is good, like I'm going to be ready for more.

41:24 I think that's what people report the most is just like the speed of recovery. And it's all because of the plasma. You know, like our muscles need good circulation and nourishment in order to heal up faster. If we have areas of severe stuck plasma. Like I think of like a hardcore Tabata workout when you're consciously building up the lactic acid inside of an area. Let's just say like inside of your quads, you're doing jump squats, you know, till death. And if you have trapped fascia because you work at a desk job and you're sitting for 8 hours a day, right, that lactic acid gets released in your quads, then where does it get out?

42:04 Or does it just sit in there and kind of accrue until you kind of like push it out overtime? So if you have like a leg workout and you're sore for three days, you definitely have a fascia problem that could be helped because it just means that that lactic acid can't get flushed. And the flushing can happen with a good sweat, good sauna after your workout or good sauna on your recovery day the next day. It could be palpated out. But that's a good indicator of wow, you know, there's the speed of circulation through these areas can be increased.

42:38 And doesn't the rate or the way that we breathe as well also affect, you know, the way that we get eliminate this metabolic waste as well the way that we clear out this waste from the system? I can imagine that if people are stress breathing or if they're not diaphragmatic breathing or getting the oxygen in, because we know that if there is more oxygen in the body, right? Isn't it more of an alkaline environment within the body? Whereas if it's, you know, if there's too much carbon dioxide buildup or more of an anaerobic environment, it's more of an acidic environment in the body, right?

43:11 Yeah. And I want to be a little humble here, Andres, because if just two weeks ago, if you would have asked me what's responsible for all of the circulation within the body, I would have said breath, your breath rate, which controls the heart rate. The heart rate is the pump of the body that's going to control the circulation. Now, I've been reading this book. I pulled it up here because I knew we were going to get to this doctor, Gerald Pollock. He's he's in his 80s now. I feel like he's gone in for the Nobel Peace Prize.

43:37 And he came out with a series of books. I'm in the first one right now. And what he wrote his, his, you know, doctorate on circulation. So like he's kind of the guy, he's kind of the guy that's been studying circulation. And so I, I got to meet him and we talked about the breath and he's like, I don't think circulation is caused by the heart anymore. And I'm like, tell me more. And he's been studying the, the fourth phase of water. You know, we all grew up with ice, you know, liquid water and then gas the vapor.

44:14 And what he found by studying water is that, you know, that easy water, that exclusion zone water when you take, I'm going to do the best I can to explain this. When you have water, he calls it bulk water. It was a glass of water, right? And there's two different ways that water reacts to different substances. You have hydrophobic and hydrophilic hydrophobic of things that are afraid of water that will never blend with water. If you think of like Saran wrap, if we pour water on it, it will never, they will never combine in a way, you know what I mean?

44:44 Water will eventually break it down like any solvent, but then you have hydrophilic which is water loving surfaces. So nafium is one that's used a lot in these experience in these experiments. And when you take nafium and drop it into water, there is this kind of glow around it, almost like the water kind of organized itself around the nafium. And through the experimentation, they put in a nafium tube. So imagine a straw that is hydrophilic. Now when they did this, they found that the and they added sunshine.

45:16 OK, so this didn't happen until they added infrared light. When they added infrared light to this straw, this hydrophilic straw that was sitting in bulk water, just a glass of water, there was a movement, measurable tubulus, constant perpetual movement. And now they're, they did these experiments where they, you know, they took a chicken and they cut a, they took the heart out. And then they looked at, monitored the circulation. And what they're finding is that the relationship of water through the nanotubules, which is what our fascia is made of through tubes.

45:54 When the tubes are made of something that is hydrophilic, there is a perpetual stream that can be created when you add infrared light. So to me we're, you know, there's a lot of things what I am teach works for people and what I teach is about increasing the hyaluronic acid in order to create balance and symmetry in the major structural bands. And in doing so, it clears up a lot of issues what it would have been kind of mind numbing for me to kind of catch up, you know, with some of the emails that come in.

46:28 Because, you know, like lymphedema is like a very much a circular. There's a lot of things that we have that are circulation issues, in my opinion. Yeah. Is it always sciatica or is there just built up fluid within your pelvis because you're sitting all the time? And then we release that, you know, your sciatica goes away, your TMJ, you know, if you have chronic densification on one side of your lateral band and you're not clenching your your jaw and you're holding your tongue in the right position, you're releasing that and then TMJ goes away.

46:57 There's a lot of things, but what we know about cell biology, I really feel like it's going to be destroyed and replaced with a different model of health that is much more electrical. Because if imagine like assigning people sunshine, you're like, oh, you have circulation issues. Like go outside 30 minutes every day and I want you to lay on one side for 15 minutes. I want you to lay on the other side for 15 minutes. And I want you 80% skin exposure because maybe that's more of the solution. And then, you know, we really don't understand what telocytes are.

47:29 Telocytes are a cell that lives within the fascia that has this like neuron looking thing coming out of it. And in fish that have it, the salt changes the form of the cell tissue. So the reason why fascia is so terrifying for doctors is because it's piezoelectric. We know what that means, you know, we add pressure. You know, if I touch your arm, you can feel that, you know, the nerve impulse send something back to the brain. That's piezoelectric. It's the same way this microphone works. But the metaphasic and the polymorphic characteristics and fascia are terrifying because they're like, what the hell is triggering this to turn into a fluid and then turn into a solid?

48:07 And the more I hang out with plasma, that little bottle, you know, and you know, Doctor Mara Zapatera, he was studying the CSF fluid and he's like, Brooke, it's just this, he's like, it's just plasma and it's arranging and unarranging. And then it's going through things like there's so much we still don't know. And as we get into plasma and we think about arranges the structures and doesn't arrange the structure, it's the intelligence of what we're throwing into it. How electrical, how much electrical input do we really need to have?

48:40 And have you, have you ever looked into Doctor Sebby? He's passed away now. Doctor Sebby's Electric. Yes, I know of him, Yes. OK, yeah, He had some very interesting things to say about, you know, eating foods that are alive and eating foods that possess electrical charge. Yeah, bio photons. Yeah. I just, I kind of wonder how off base we are. Like in 10 years, if we have this conversation, I'll be like, remember when we thought it was this? I think our job is to continue to just read, learn, adapt, experiment because.

49:12 100%. We are only toying with the outside edges, the outside edges of cell biology in circulation. Like, yeah, I'd like to think breath and heart rate are the main inputs for all circulation, but really, how much does the sunshine have to do with it? And do you know I've been using red light therapy for many years now, but the only since I started using EMR Tech red light therapy panels did I really start to notice the true benefits of red light therapy. I'm using EMR Tech's Fire Dragon Pro and the Inferno pro.

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50:14 She was explaining how pH has to do with charge and how the the voltage basically in and around the cells determines the pH in that area, which was absolutely mind blowing. And she was saying that the pH in different areas of the body can be different because different cells may require a different pH. But then that is not necessarily because of the pH, but it's more to do with the voltage, voltage. So as you're saying that if you know, if we are these electrical beings that we require this electricity to function and then this endogenous light that is being produced within us through bio photon emission, which is through metabolism.

50:54 And as you explained as well, the food that we consume, these living foods, if they are also containing information about the season, the environment and the temperature and all of this and and the light intensity that's also feeding into our electrical system. And all of this is basically information that our cells can utilize to organize and work in a coherent way. And I assume that when we are putting in our body like food that doesn't contain those, you know that living light that those by that bio photo and emission or if we are not breathing in a way which is charging.

51:30 Maybe you can tell us this. Do you, do you know anything about how the breath like charges the blood? Do you think that, you know, when we inhale or for example, like breatharians that don't eat anything, do you believe that they're able somehow to extract charge from the ether, you know, from the environment, from the like, do you think that the breath is able to do that? What a cool question. It's funny when we get into pH because like pH stands for the power of hydrogen, right? So if somebody is consuming a lot of like H3O2 which is like what this exclusion water is.

52:07 Structured water. Line up, yeah, they're like coconut water is a good example, like fresh fruit juices are good examples of that kind of water. Their pH in the blood is going to be different, but like the stomach will always run acid because it's got to break things down South. So like different organs have different pH. So it to me, it's just about, you know, if we can measure the blood pH, that's going to give us an idea of if everything is wrapped in something nutritious and life giving or something acidic, that's going to kind of eat away at things.

52:36 Which is why those urine strips that we talked about are so cool for kind of like a self monitoring when we look at the blood, right? And if we take blood out of the body and it's on its way back to the to the lung field, it's going to be really brown. And then when we add oxygen to it. So as soon as the blood gets to the lung field and we take that big breath, when it leaves the lung field, it's going to be bright, bright red. But if you have a lung field that's like dirty because you've been mouth breathing or you've been smoking for a lot of years and you think of like smoking, it's all through the mouth.

53:14 So like there's no cilia fibers. In the future, I think we're going to smoke through our nose just like locally. You heard it here first if you haven't heard it before, because there's actually like more cannabinoids. So even people who are like hardcore weed smokers, it's like really smoking through the nose makes significantly more sense to get that rush that you're looking for. But if the lung field is encumbered in some way either like because the lungs are not are not perfectly symmetrical and the bottom is different than the top.

53:47 You know, if somebody breathes shallowly into their upper chest most of the time, right? They're only getting access to about 30% of their lung field because the lower lung field is where the majority of the tissue is and where it can open. So if someone is doing all of the right things, you know they're eating well. They're out in the sunshine, but their breath pattern isn't shaped. They're only breathing into the upper lung field. Every breath that they take. Their body is not receiving as much oxygen from each breath as they need.

54:22 So the standard resting breath rate is 15 to 25. When they get up from a couch, it can elevate even higher. And my concern always for people is when we start to Jack up our breath rate because we're breathing and properly, we kind of elevate all of the systems, the heart rate, the brain waves, the tension within the body. And the more relaxed we are, the less we breathe. It's, you know, it's one in the same. So with to calm the nervous system, we slow the breath rate down, but the more powerful your breath is, the more blood you're gonna have that's like this beautiful red oxygenated blood that's ready to go through your system.

55:04 So if we think of charging ourselves, you know, I think charge can be, you know, you don't have to have the sun. I think you can do it with the moon too. But being connected to the magnetics of the Earth, you know, So being barefoot, being outside, taking deep breaths where your belly is expanded, the back, the sides, the front, you're holding at the top for a whole whopping 2 seconds and then you're fully exhaling. I think a full exhale is often something people don't experience either, to actually touch that air hunger where you're totally out of the breath and your body is small, that, you know, taking just like progressively loading in the gym, hitting your maximums and minimums, doing it in our breath rate I think is really important.

55:50 And then keeping the lungs clean. And they're never going to be pure clean. We're never going to, you know, get 100% away from pollution. So having a system to release the particles that have stuck I think is pretty important to making, you know, our breath practices work better. And so basically when you talk about cleaning the lungs, it would be something that we did last time in our previous episodes, right through the like this breath of fire, something like this, where you're fully emptying the lung completely.

56:20 So you're really squeezing sort of the bottom of the lung, getting everything out. Is that what you mean? Yeah, I mean, in my mighty breath, we, I kind of show people a lot about the nasal cavity because I feel like the respiratory system really speaks to what's happening to us in our nasal cavities. And just kind of like even sitting, you know, and lifting the tongue on the roof of the mouth and then inhaling deeply through the nose and trying to feel all the way up between the eyebrows and then all the way out between the eyes.

56:51 It's a huge area. And many people walk around where it's like stuffy on one side for an extended period of time, for like a week, you know, or up here. And any of that stagnation is going to create issues in our frontal lobe because the movement of our cilia fiber is important for our CSF flow, for our frontal lobe to keep things like vibrating and alive up here. So, you know, the respiratory in the lung field is important. Detoxing the lungs is important. So yes, the breath of fire ideally laying horizontally that way as things are coming up and out, gravity's not fighting it because mucus is interesting.

57:29 Mucus, like in the lung tissue you can drain if somebody had like, a really bad coughing fit or bronchitis, you know, something where they can't do that detox breath that I teach. If you lay on a wedge pillow with your hips above your shoulders for 20 minutes, you can start to, like, feel a mucus that builds up if you're sick. And you can start Hawking that out. And it's because the lung tissue is made of something a lot like bananas. It's kind of fibery and watery. So hanging it upside down can allow particles to kind of fall out of it.

58:07 So just even 20 minutes with your hips above your shoulders, laying on one side and then you lay on the other side and you lay on the other side. Ideally you do all of the sides that can help somebody detox their lungs too, without that violent means. But if we pay attention to the nasal glands and we feel when mucus is starting to build up and we get the mucus out of the body, we have just taken care of so much inflammation because it's when we ignore the mucus buildup that we end up when the mucus sits on the tissues.

58:39 That's where inflammation happens. So if we know how to identify when mucus is building up and take care of it right away, get the mucus out of the body, we have a lot less issues to deal with long term. Yeah. And it also doesn't feel great, right, Either. It's all it feels nice to be able to breathe freely and to feel good. So I'm sure that everybody would be in alignment with that and taking care of themselves if they can identify how that feels like, you know, before it goes too far because many of us, especially if we are not aware of our body, right, we are not paying attention to the symptoms and the signs that the body is giving us leading up to a point where we're going to develop a full out blown cold or, you know, flu.

59:19 But you know, if we can catch the body in the starting phases, we could potentially even get rid of it completely if we know, you know, how to take the rest and the time for our body to heal and to regenerate and to do all the things that you mentioned, you know, to take care of the fascio system, for example. So there are multiple ways is to take care of the fascio system like you're mentioning is the breath, the sunlight, the grounding? They're basically regulating your nervous system. That's huge.

59:48 So now let's move into how sound can influence the fascio system. Maybe you can give us a brief overview of your idea of how sound. Maybe start by saying what sound actually is and how does sound influence the fascio system? Fascinating question. I'm going to do my best to answer this. So sound is just a vibration through the air molecules. And we often think like, OK, so I'm speaking so these molecules are traveling all the way to your ear. And that's not ever the case. We make a sound and the molecules just bump into the next one, which bumps into the next one, which bumps in the next one, just bumps in the next 1.

1:00:31 So it's ripples within molecules that create sound. And it's the ripple is measured in frequency. So it's how many times the wave moves up and down. That would be 1 frequency, right? There has been some interesting studies. I don't, I don't really love them. I think that they're just the beginning phases of how sound when applied directly to fascia, how the fascia responds. And you know, we just covered a lot about fascia and how it kind of depends on the person. And so a lot of these sound research things have been done on people that like aren't training their fascia.

1:01:16 And then maybe they were hydrated, maybe they weren't. Maybe this has been an issue in their body for 50 years. Maybe it's been an issue in their body for two weeks. So Jonathan Goldman recently did a study on treating, I think it was him, Jonathan Goldman, it was a musician on treating plantar fasciitis with sound. And they were taking, I don't know what, some sort of like speaker activator and applying it. And there was like a 30% reduction in pain. I'm not super impressed by that study impersonally, but it did show improvements.

1:01:49 So I have a tuning fork here. This is a silent tuning fork actually. So if you just hit it and then place it on the skin, it'll create a vibration through your body. And if I were to place this like right on the bone, I can actually feel it like all the way through. And in areas where there's tension, you know, you can actually kind of feel it expand versus where it's healthy and almost feels like it just kind of stays in that one spot. So if we think of yes, exactly. And you're with me. When we think of healthy hydrated, palpable tissue, when we apply frequency, it can just kind of absorb because there's a lot of water to absorb it.

1:02:29 If it's really tense like a bone would be, when we apply vibration, that whole bone is going to vibrate a bit, right? So if I were to do a sound experiment, because they're, what you're talking about hasn't been super studied yet, or at least I haven't seen studies that have really, you know, blown me away. I've read some few and I'm just like, right, if we're treating planar fascia, I just, I feel like my thing works well, a lot better. The planar fascia is so tense. It's one of the densest bands in the whole body.

1:02:57 I wouldn't want to treat it with just sound. But you know, it depends what people are looking for, you know, so I'm not here to dismiss that. But I have my own version of a sound experiment and it would be putting people on a Cagney plate and then throwing low decibel frequencies through their body and then having them maintain a low breath rate. And I would want to measure. The issue with a lot of the fascia studies is there's not a good measuring device out there yet. There is a pro sport model from this company called Avazia.

1:03:30 And so there's two types of things that I have found that can measure the fascio 1 is ultrasound. The issue with ultrasound is that we're only seeing so deeply and we're only seeing trapped fluid. So it's not like we can just kind of zoom in on fascio. We can kind of see the major thicker bands and we can see where stagnation is. So and a lot of people that use that are needling the dense spots in fascia, which, you know, it works, but it's very aggressive. I wouldn't recommend it to, you know, a tournament athlete or a performer, you know, because there's going to be downtime and you know, if the results are just if, if that came about because the body is such a balancing thing.

1:04:11 Often upper body adhesions are results of lower body imbalances because the spine, you don't want to be crooked. So if your hips, you know, are down on one side, your shoulders will self correct so that you can maintain, you know, equal eye level so that your brain is healthy. So the body's highly intelligent. So a lot of people they get like needling and palpation and everything's kind of shoulders and it's like, I think most of it's happening from the glutes down mostly.

1:04:42 So the, the ultrasound has a little bit of a issue because we can't really see what's happening deeply. And then the other one is this Avazia device and it measures the electrical output of the fascia, which I think is very interesting. And it can measure it based on how fast or how slow the the charge went through two electrodes. So you can kind of measure if there is tight fascia or loose fascia, which I think is really interesting and not talked about at all and how to resync those. But again, that's measuring just kind of on the top and the fascia layers are so deep that we're not quite there with tech yet to really look at it, to really kind of see it.

1:05:27 But when we look at circulation of flow of fluids, right? And we think of Doctor Masaro Emotos and Veda Austins work on water and we think of Gerald Pollocks work on exclusion water and how this plasmatic fluid is, you know, moving through with added sunshine. What I think would be so interesting is if you had people basically on like a a Cagney plate is a metal plate that can sustain like the the vibration of like high voltage frequencies. So like a lot of cymatics are are studies are done on sand over a Cagney plate that's producing a frequency kind of like an activator, which is an activator is the thing inside of a speaker that emits sound.

1:06:13 If we look at the body as a river of fluids, the most powerful mechanism to move those fluids outside of breath and sunshine is going to be our production of sound, our ability to make our own sound. Because sound doesn't travel our the sound that we make travels through the bones and tissues. So if I were if we were to sit here and for the next 20 minutes make a ton of particularly vowel sounds. So consonants and vowels in the cymatic studies change how the cell opens and closes. So there's certain vowels that actually enhance an opening.

1:06:57 Yeah. Like where the the structure will open or the structure will close. So I like to think of consonants as like knives. They kind of like cut the frequency vowels are a lot of them are big, round, open, but ah and E produce different relationships within it. And there are some very old studies done on a Cagney plate in sand which actually show you the illustration of like this is this frequency, This is this frequency of the body. And like this is what we can think of as happening through the cell.

1:07:27 So if you had someone standing on a vibration plate and that vibration plate without a low decibel sound moving up through the feet and at the same time that person was harmonizing with that frequency within the body. I think that would be a tremendous fascia study. And I would probably measure it very differently than what we currently could do. But the sound that we produce to me is the most powerful way to truly affect the inside flow, the inside structure. And it wouldn't just be like a one time thing.

1:08:03 I would say like for 20 minutes, relax and to vowel sounds and make as much noise as you can because that's it's going to move the CSF, it's going to move the diaphragm, it's going to move the lymph, it's going to charge the water of your body. Doctor Mara Zapatera, I guess he wasn't a doctor. No, not Zapatera, Astro Emoto. When you went and studied with him, he would require everyone to sing. And he's like, I don't care if you sing good or bad. It is the act of singing that restructures what you all of what you are.

1:08:35 We're at the beginning of that. But what a great question. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, going to ask you about humming actually self generated sound, because I can imagine that, yes, using a tuning fork or some form of instrument on the outside of your body or someone else's voice can, you know, regulate or dysregulate our nervous system or create coherence or incoherence depending on the type of sound that we're generating with that instrument, whether it's in harmony or in disharmony, right? Because you can imagine that if you can get guitar, you can start slamming the strings and it can count.

1:09:09 It can sound very incoherent, right? It doesn't sound very nice, but if someone knows how to play it and it sounds very coherent, that's very different to the nervous system. So I can also imagine that self generated sound is pretty similar. So the intention behind that self generated sound can probably also alter the way that our body is functioning, but also our fascio system. Could you talk a little bit about the connection between humming and the and the fascio system? And do you know anything about that or about how it alters the structured water in our body?

1:09:44 Because, you know, you can imagine that I can imagine the vibration itself produces a form of light in the body, right? Where where the eyes, I think infrared light, right? So if this is producing some form of infrared light, I can imagine that it's structuring the water and making the the fascia flow better. What do you think? Well, the vagus nerve, the nerves that are responsible for calming the body down, the majority of them sit right off of our neck. So like you're saying about humming, learning to properly place the tongue, take a big deep diaphragmic breath, and then just humming either low or high, but playing with what vibrates until you kind of find that middle next section.

1:10:25 And in opera we call it the passaggio, you know, name a moving from the chest voice to the head voice. So if we take a big deep breath and we go, we can kind of feel it vibrating down here versus I'm going to feel it vibrating here. So learning how this the pitch actually changes where your body is vibrating, I think is a very fun thing to play with. That taken to the next level would be standing in a stairwell and noticing that the high pitches come off of the high parts of the stairwell. The low pitches come off the low parts of the stairwell.

1:11:01 Our body is very similar. That being said, when we play with sound, I really encourage people to be more like kids and be incoherent and find your own coherence in it. Particularly American Music, like a lot of the music that we listen to is based on the German scale. So you know, there's 77 keys on a piano and they all follow different octaves. And then, you know, we've, most of us musicians this day and age have learned it classically where, you know, you have certain patterns, certain mathematical patterns that lay into what we call it chords or keys.

1:11:36 And then they play nicely. These are the frequencies that kind of layer beautifully. But our ear can actually hear almost 1400 tones. So when you get into like Eastern, you know, Turkish Bulgarian music, Eastern Indian music, there's a lot of micro tonal instruments and they pick up on the frequencies in between things. And a lot of Americans would be like, oh, this is incoherent. This is like an awkward time signature. So if you pictured a piano, again, there's this in this Turkish piano that I really want and The Black Keys have two extra keys on them.

1:12:09 So the way that that piano would look, there's like these, don't leave these like sliding sounds that are very different and the voices. So instead of looking at music like this mathematical structure of like this is good. This is bad. I like to say just play with vowels and see what your body can do from your lowest note to your highest note back to your lowest note back to your highest note. And as long as we're breathing well, there's not a lot of pressure on The Voice. We can get very big without stressing out the vocal cords if we breathe properly.

1:12:41 And there should be like, no rules in music in my head because music sound itself is a layering of ether. And, you know, we all have unique things, like instruments were just made out of things, you know, like making a rattle out of the seeds that fall out of my eucalyptus tree. Maybe the most beautiful sounding rattle in the whole world. You tuning my harp into the Greek scale or you know, tuning a classic buzzuki into an Egyptian scale? Sometimes it's that those crossbreedings that derive us the most pleasure as musicians.

1:13:21 So I think that like, I play 7 instruments and all of them are patterned, you know what I mean? So like in my opinion, everybody can play instruments because if you can type, you certainly have the dexterity to play piano 100%. And if you can play a piano, you can play a harmonium. And if you can play those two, you can probably play a Tempora if you learn how to tune it because it's very easy. So the relationship to sound and movement through sound is about exploring because certain tones and pitches when I hum are going to vibrate right here where the vagus nerve is, but that may not be the same pitch for you to hum.

1:14:01 So experiencing how sound travels through the body, experiencing quiet sound and loud sounds. What's the loudest sound you can make? How long can you maintain that loudest sound? What's the loudest high note you can hit? What's the loudest low note you can hit? And it's kind of like stretching. Like when you're teaching somebody to do a back bend, you have to like, you know, there's a whole conversation that they have to have with their shoulders and their chest and then their upper back, then their middle back, you know, then their hips, their hip flexors.

1:14:30 They're like, Oh my God, I've never reached into this. That's how I feel about sound. It's hit your lowest, hit your highest, then do it. Ah EAO. Almost every single language involves the same vowel sounds, so if we learn how to get comfortable with those and flirting between them, we don't have to be very scientific about noise. We can make noise and your body is going to tell you when you like it. But the less rules and the less constraints we have around it, the more playful it can become. Like I remember there is this like 6 months period where I hadn't trained my voice in a while and I was driving to work every day and I was trying to make as many weird ugly sounds as possible.

1:15:12 And it was so good for me as a singer because you get trapped sometimes in this mechanism of training a certain way. And like how quickly can you nail the riff, you know? And I have like a vocal monitor up so it shows you the exact reading of the frequency you hit. Like, you nailed it, you missed it, you held it, you oscillated the right way, you know, oscillated too hard in removing that from me and just saying, OK, play with the feeling because everything shifts when you start to, to train breath because the sound gets so much louder.

1:15:43 I was like a cute little folk singer. And then when I trained the breath and I, I really honed in on the mighty breath, everything got so much bigger that I kind of lost control. And I needed to play with what it felt like to move my soft palate in a way to throw the sound this way, then to throw the sound this way, then to throw the sound through the back of my head, then the throw the sound through the top, middle, then the front of the head. And when you when you sing metal and you try a bit of a fry voice, you know, you like to do a proper pig fry.

1:16:13 You take the vocal cords. Imagine if this is one side, this is the other. And you twist them together literally inside of the body to make it, you distort it. Yeah. So learning how to play with sound in order to kind of free yourself up to me is, you know, that's the playground that we should explore. You know your maximums and minimums, low, low notes, high notes, vowels. Spin it, make it weird, make it ugly, and then find your own coherence within that you know. That was fantastic. Yeah. So basically what you said there, just to summarize, is that for every single individual, it's very different.

1:16:53 The the type of sound that is going to influence them and what their body actually needs is going to be different because everyone can, you know, as you said, hit different tones or it's going to resonate differently within your body. And they just need to play around with this sound and find, you know, what works for them because it does have so many incredible benefits on our biology and in programming the water, you know, imprinting the water within our bodies, You know, I can imagine stimulating the vagus nerve and getting us into a parasympathetic state and increasing nitric oxide production, increasing blood flow.

1:17:25 There are so many incredible benefits that come about due to, you know, humming and, and the breath itself, but, you know, finding a specific tone that works for you. I've never heard of that before. So thank you for sharing that. And I want to be respectful of your time as well because I know we've hit like 1 1/2 hours already. So is there any last words of wisdom that you would like to leave the audience with before we close out the show? Some fantastic questions I had this other book pulled out.

1:17:55 This is called the world of sound out of Brahman, which not a Brahman is like an old Sanskrit word from everything is sound. And this is cool book because it's written by like an old school jazz guy. And in the musician world, jazz artists are respected so much because their ability to change key and rhythms are so much more challenged than the rest of us rock and rollers. Kind of, you know, we pay homage to the jazz musicians. And he put together this book and the late part of his life. And it has to do with sound and the relationship that other cultures have to it.

1:18:33 Sound isn't just what we produce. It's also the silence in between. And when I started musical breath work, I really wanted to bring the world back into stillness and silence within themselves. Because I think a lot of the solutions in life already exist. Everything that we're looking for isn't going to be found in a new toy or a new widget or a new thing. It's it's in us. It's our relationship to life being what it is. We don't need more food. We don't need a new drug. We just need to enjoy what it is we we have and make what we have feel harmonious.

1:19:07 And in an age where we have everything, what we often are not making time for is that stillness and silence and to truthfully to cultivate that feeling within ourselves is breath related and fascia tension is body tension. So building our awareness around our breath and our body tension pulls us back into what we actually are. You know, And the word breath comes from respirar, and it's to breathe and spirit. And I remember the first time really kind of meditating on the power of breath and being like, how do I talk about this to people?

1:19:41 And it's like the soul almost floats in this structure outside of our body. And we're always in constant observation. We're pretty tuned into, you know, what our neighbor is doing or, you know, what's happening over there and we come back into our body, but maybe just shallowly, you know, like, oh, I need to go pee. You know, we're not like really dialed into how our glutes feel right now or how our toes are feeling in our shoes, right? So we're kind of floating outside. And when we start to train the fascia and we start to train our breath, it's almost like we, we pull what we are into ourselves deeper and we hang out there for a second and then we exhale, you know, and then we do it again.

1:20:24 And it's in this exchange of what we actually are, which, you know, ether and plasma are just two new words that I, I would love for people to acquaint themselves with this energetic field, this invisible structure that's, that's creating what we call of as air and magnetics and electricity. This whole thing that exists within us and around us that we don't really talk about yet, to train ourselves to see ourselves as more than just a body. Like we are creating space for this other dynamic electrical magnetic energy to take up more room here.

1:21:03 And in this expansion around the electrical and magnetic, magnetic nature of what we are, we have more room to see, to be, to increase our awareness to. I have hope and enthusiasm. I think a lot of people are looking for connection. And the connection isn't an external thing. It's an internal thing. And it's not about working out. It's about making more room for that emptiness, for that silence, for that breath, for that awareness within. So instead of being the hyper fixated on what's the exact exercise I need to do, it's more of how do we draw more awareness?

1:21:43 And and I think it's our job, you and me, to make it look sexy, to make it look fun, to have this, to cultivate a more monk like attitude to all that we are because we are so much bigger than the body. The field outside of us, the bio field is, is Eileen Mckusick word for this electromagnetic field that we exhibit around us and to strengthen that is more than diet and it's more than training. It's an awareness of what we are, what our body instrument is communicating back to us, what it needs to be stronger.

1:22:18 And in my opinion, the two biggest inputs is, you know, breath rate, fast attention. And then it's, you know, to increase that it's nature. So my name is Brooke. My, my company's called musical breath work. All my programs are at musical breath work and I believe that we're we're meant to see this world into a more mighty hopeful harmony and I'm just here to play my part. So thank you so much for having me on. Thanks for your brilliant questions. It was a real joy to be here. Thank you for coming on, Brooke.

1:22:51 I, I really love this conversation. I'm sure the audience is going to really love it as well, and I will make sure to link all of your links in the description below as well. But people can find you on Instagram as well, right at Musical Breathwork. That's correct. Yes, Sir. Thank you so much. For and your and your website. Your website wasmusicalbreathwork.com. Sure is. Awesome. So let's end it there and let's absolutely do it again in the future. Oh. I'd love to. I would love to. I'll just have more to share, more books to be like, hey this, this is what I'm learning.

1:23:22 Oh yeah, I love it. I, I always want to keep on learning more stuff as well, you know, because you don't know what you don't know. And I love it when people bring things to my awareness that I'm not aware of and I'm just enlightened and just want to keep on going down these rabbit holes. So thank you so much. You guys enjoy the topics and guests I bring on the show. I would really appreciate it if you left me a five star review on Spotify and also subscribe to fitness wisdom podcast on YouTube as well as this helps us spread the knowledge and wisdom with the world.

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